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After just a decade in use, IDF retires ‘futuristic’ Tavor rifle
Jewish News Syndicate (JNS) ^ | September 5, 2021 | Hanan Greenwood

Posted on 09/08/2021 3:22:16 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper

For years, the Israeli “Tavor” was marketed as the rifle of the future, and many of the Israel Defense Forces infantry fighters proudly carried it, enthusiastic about its convenience and futuristic look.

Just 10 years after integrating it into the Israeli army, however, the IDF will begin transitioning the brigades currently using it and the micro-“Tavor” to the American M4, known as a “flat-top” rifle.

One of the IDF’s infantry brigades is expected to receive the M4 rifle in the near future, and other brigades will follow. The Israeli-made rifles will not be retired completely, but rather will be transferred to the army’s reserve brigades.

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: banglist; israel; rifle; tavor
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To: Towed_Jumper

shoulda kept the Galil


21 posted on 09/08/2021 4:10:38 PM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. P144:1)
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To: Towed_Jumper

a lot of US surplus no longer needed to supply American forces is going to hit the secondary market. The defense contractors are going to need business while they await the next endless war.


22 posted on 09/08/2021 4:11:22 PM PDT by jz638
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To: Towed_Jumper

I didn’t realize the Tavor had such a large footprint. The M4 looks lighter, perhaps increasing mobility.


23 posted on 09/08/2021 4:15:24 PM PDT by Obadiah (Truth is treason in an Empire of lies.)
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To: Towed_Jumper

From what I’ve seen from guntubers they were problematic and subject to failure.

CC


24 posted on 09/08/2021 4:20:06 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: ex91B10

Now she gives me a tingle which is the best my bod can do.


25 posted on 09/08/2021 4:22:00 PM PDT by mcshot (What was once thought impossible is now here. The possibilities are frightening.)
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To: mcshot

Me too...looking at 64 years old in November.


26 posted on 09/08/2021 4:27:03 PM PDT by ex91B10 (Just because you can doesn't mean you should. )
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To: kiryandil
I surrender.

And I'll put my hands where ever she tells me to ;-)

27 posted on 09/08/2021 4:29:15 PM PDT by ex91B10 (Just because you can doesn't mean you should. )
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To: Bonemaker

Ditto for the Aussies.


28 posted on 09/08/2021 4:32:24 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Towed_Jumper

That’s why it’s best to have an AR15 to go along with your AK bullpup.

Don’t ask how I came to acquire that information.


29 posted on 09/08/2021 4:38:10 PM PDT by NWFree (Somebody has to say it)
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To: ex91B10

Not guilty


30 posted on 09/08/2021 4:38:24 PM PDT by D Rider ( )
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To: Army Air Corps

Ditto Austria with that ghastly AUG! They should all go back to WW2 and the immediate post-war stuff!


31 posted on 09/08/2021 4:59:01 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: mcshot

Would it cross any lines to suggest my willingness to teach her the prone position? Of course I’m sure others have probably beat me to the suggestion.


32 posted on 09/08/2021 5:00:12 PM PDT by Rowdyone
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To: Bonemaker
I think the Brits and French use bullpups too. Terrible. Get a real rifle already!

This is probably "preaching to the choir" (& you've probably heard this before), but IIRC, bullpups were developed for two primary reasons:

(1) Shorter firearms are considered desirable, because mechanized infantry are in & out of vehicles all the time, and conventional rifles (like the M14 & M16) are apparently too long to be convenient.

(2) If you shorten a conventional rifle until it's a handy size, you end up with a barrel that's not a whole lot longer than a soda straw (14.5" on the M4), and your muzzle velocity & ballistic performance suffer. With a bullpup design, the barrel can remain 'rifle length' (18" on the Tavor, 20"-24" with the AUG), with better ballistic performance, while the overall length is reduced for vehicle use. Look at the photo earlier on this thread, showing an M4 next to a Tavor, and you can see there's a major difference in barrel length (muzzle to front of magazine).

So your suggestion that the Israelis "get a real rifle" is kind of funny in a way, because they were trying to get a rifle-length barrel when they adopted the Tavor. With the M4, they're basically giving up, and going back to short barrel ballistics (not a good idea with 5.56). Going to something like the Canadian C7A2 (with 20" barrel, or possibly with an 18" barrel like the Tavor) might have been a much better option...

;^)

33 posted on 09/08/2021 5:03:20 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("He therefore who may resist, must be allowed to strike." - John Locke)
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To: Towed_Jumper

+1 for All bullpups have bad triggers.


34 posted on 09/08/2021 5:13:29 PM PDT by OKSooner (Always say, "After the fair trial".)
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To: Rowdyone

Cowboy shooting?


35 posted on 09/08/2021 5:15:39 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Claiming Racism, the antidote to personal responsibility)
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To: ex91B10

WOW !


36 posted on 09/08/2021 5:25:45 PM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: Towed_Jumper

Hmmm, interesting.


37 posted on 09/08/2021 5:52:47 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (When elections fail, we will either live under tyranny or rebel and throw it off.)
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To: Towed_Jumper

In addition to being a bullpup, the Tavor also had issues with the extractors chewing up the brass, sometimes leaving them stuck.


38 posted on 09/08/2021 6:03:43 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: PROCON

I’ve only fired one once. It seemed kind of klunky and heavy to me.
Trying to use with iron sights seems like it might be more of an issue also.


39 posted on 09/08/2021 6:23:58 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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To: ex91B10; Big Red Badger

Miss Tavor,
Nice.


40 posted on 09/08/2021 6:37:45 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (Make His Paths Straight!)
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