Posted on 09/08/2021 3:22:16 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper
For years, the Israeli “Tavor” was marketed as the rifle of the future, and many of the Israel Defense Forces infantry fighters proudly carried it, enthusiastic about its convenience and futuristic look.
Just 10 years after integrating it into the Israeli army, however, the IDF will begin transitioning the brigades currently using it and the micro-“Tavor” to the American M4, known as a “flat-top” rifle.
One of the IDF’s infantry brigades is expected to receive the M4 rifle in the near future, and other brigades will follow. The Israeli-made rifles will not be retired completely, but rather will be transferred to the army’s reserve brigades.
(Excerpt) Read more at jns.org ...
shoulda kept the Galil
a lot of US surplus no longer needed to supply American forces is going to hit the secondary market. The defense contractors are going to need business while they await the next endless war.
I didn’t realize the Tavor had such a large footprint. The M4 looks lighter, perhaps increasing mobility.
From what I’ve seen from guntubers they were problematic and subject to failure.
CC
Now she gives me a tingle which is the best my bod can do.
Me too...looking at 64 years old in November.
And I'll put my hands where ever she tells me to ;-)
Ditto for the Aussies.
That’s why it’s best to have an AR15 to go along with your AK bullpup.
Don’t ask how I came to acquire that information.
Not guilty
Ditto Austria with that ghastly AUG! They should all go back to WW2 and the immediate post-war stuff!
Would it cross any lines to suggest my willingness to teach her the prone position? Of course I’m sure others have probably beat me to the suggestion.
This is probably "preaching to the choir" (& you've probably heard this before), but IIRC, bullpups were developed for two primary reasons:
(1) Shorter firearms are considered desirable, because mechanized infantry are in & out of vehicles all the time, and conventional rifles (like the M14 & M16) are apparently too long to be convenient.
(2) If you shorten a conventional rifle until it's a handy size, you end up with a barrel that's not a whole lot longer than a soda straw (14.5" on the M4), and your muzzle velocity & ballistic performance suffer. With a bullpup design, the barrel can remain 'rifle length' (18" on the Tavor, 20"-24" with the AUG), with better ballistic performance, while the overall length is reduced for vehicle use. Look at the photo earlier on this thread, showing an M4 next to a Tavor, and you can see there's a major difference in barrel length (muzzle to front of magazine).
So your suggestion that the Israelis "get a real rifle" is kind of funny in a way, because they were trying to get a rifle-length barrel when they adopted the Tavor. With the M4, they're basically giving up, and going back to short barrel ballistics (not a good idea with 5.56). Going to something like the Canadian C7A2 (with 20" barrel, or possibly with an 18" barrel like the Tavor) might have been a much better option...
;^)
+1 for All bullpups have bad triggers.
Cowboy shooting?
WOW !
Hmmm, interesting.
In addition to being a bullpup, the Tavor also had issues with the extractors chewing up the brass, sometimes leaving them stuck.
I’ve only fired one once. It seemed kind of klunky and heavy to me.
Trying to use with iron sights seems like it might be more of an issue also.
Miss Tavor,
Nice.
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