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After just a decade in use, IDF retires ‘futuristic’ Tavor rifle
Jewish News Syndicate (JNS) ^
| September 5, 2021
| Hanan Greenwood
Posted on 09/08/2021 3:22:16 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper
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This article is light on details as to exactly
why the Israeli Army wants to transition away from the Tavor and go to the M4 Carbine. Simpler Design? Reliability? Availability? Taliban having a fire sale on M4s?
To: PROCON
Maybe a topic of interest for your gun ping list?
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posted on
09/08/2021 3:23:11 PM PDT
by
Towed_Jumper
(So you think that money is the root of all evil. Have you ever asked what is the root of all money?)
To: Towed_Jumper
To: Towed_Jumper
One of my local shops had a Tavor on the wall. Big price tag. Not a very visually or ergonomically appealing rifle. It remained on the wall, unpurchased for over a year.
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posted on
09/08/2021 3:32:14 PM PDT
by
Myrddin
To: butlerweave
I think the Brits and French use bullpups too. Terrible. Get a real rifle already!
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posted on
09/08/2021 3:32:24 PM PDT
by
Bonemaker
(invictus maneo)
To: Towed_Jumper
The brains behind the gun...
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posted on
09/08/2021 3:34:55 PM PDT
by
ex91B10
(Just because you can doesn't mean you should. )
To: Towed_Jumper
Always wanted one, but the price tag was too high.
Seemed like a good social work gun. Maybe the price will drop now.
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posted on
09/08/2021 3:35:31 PM PDT
by
outofsalt
(If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches anything.)
To: butlerweave
Yes, I’d like a trigger that is mush!
Is there any way we can get that muzzle blast CLOSER to my face?
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posted on
09/08/2021 3:35:41 PM PDT
by
larrytown
(A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
To: Towed_Jumper
Gas impingement still works. Keep it clean and no moving parts b
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posted on
09/08/2021 3:36:20 PM PDT
by
ImJustAnotherOkie
(All I know is The I read in the papers.)
To: Bonemaker
I think the Brits and French use bullpups too. Terrible. Get a real rifle already!
I think they’re working on replacing their bullpups
To: Towed_Jumper
The Tavor is heavier and more expensive than the M4 series. Israel already has M4 production lines, so its probably a simple decision for them. Note the Tavor is not actually vanishing; it will remain in service but as they wear down or require replacements, the new weapons will be M4s. I would assume that will be done at a unit level, not for individual troops, but I believe the Tavor uses STANAG magazines so intermixing might be possible.
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posted on
09/08/2021 3:38:28 PM PDT
by
AzSteven
("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd )
To: Towed_Jumper
Bullpups and Lefties do not work well together. LOL
For my whole shooting life I trained mag swap……..no way I could ever use a Bullpup.
To: butlerweave
Bullpup was just a FadThe ChiComs are using the QBZ-95 and I know the Australian Army still issues the Steyr AUG.
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posted on
09/08/2021 3:44:32 PM PDT
by
Towed_Jumper
(So you think that money is the root of all evil. Have you ever asked what is the root of all money?)
To: ex91B10
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posted on
09/08/2021 3:46:04 PM PDT
by
kiryandil
(China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
To: ex91B10
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posted on
09/08/2021 3:46:50 PM PDT
by
Wayne07
To: Towed_Jumper
The ChiComs are replacing or already replaced the QBZ-95
To: Towed_Jumper
It seems to be a death knell whenever a gun is labeled “futuristic”. I used to buy retail military equipment magazines, that were almost nothing but glossy advertisements for hundreds of ‘upcoming’ weapons systems, and learned two important things:
1) Their marketing is that of used car salesmen with huge advertising budgets. Most of what they offered had no life beyond a prototype.
2) Low maintenance, durability, and reliability matter more than endless bells and whistles. This is why the 1911A1 and M2 .50 cal are still around today.
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09/08/2021 4:03:28 PM PDT
by
yefragetuwrabrumuy
(Do kids in Iceland still play "The Floor Is Lava?")
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posted on
09/08/2021 4:04:31 PM PDT
by
PROCON
(Our rights do not come from government, therefore they cannot take them away.)
To: Wayne07
Two examples of trigger discipline...Top - good, bottom - back to basic.
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posted on
09/08/2021 4:06:18 PM PDT
by
pfflier
To: butlerweave
I stand corrected! I just found an article about the ChiComs moving to the QBZ-191 (which looks strangler similar to an M4 pattern carbine).Thanks for your post.
Here's a pic I found of some flatface infantry with the QBZ-191:
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posted on
09/08/2021 4:07:14 PM PDT
by
Towed_Jumper
(So you think that money is the root of all evil. Have you ever asked what is the root of all money?)
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