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To: butlerweave

I think the Brits and French use bullpups too. Terrible. Get a real rifle already!


5 posted on 09/08/2021 3:32:24 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Bonemaker

I think the Brits and French use bullpups too. Terrible. Get a real rifle already!

I think they’re working on replacing their bullpups


10 posted on 09/08/2021 3:36:53 PM PDT by butlerweave
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To: Bonemaker

Ditto for the Aussies.


28 posted on 09/08/2021 4:32:24 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Bonemaker
I think the Brits and French use bullpups too. Terrible. Get a real rifle already!

This is probably "preaching to the choir" (& you've probably heard this before), but IIRC, bullpups were developed for two primary reasons:

(1) Shorter firearms are considered desirable, because mechanized infantry are in & out of vehicles all the time, and conventional rifles (like the M14 & M16) are apparently too long to be convenient.

(2) If you shorten a conventional rifle until it's a handy size, you end up with a barrel that's not a whole lot longer than a soda straw (14.5" on the M4), and your muzzle velocity & ballistic performance suffer. With a bullpup design, the barrel can remain 'rifle length' (18" on the Tavor, 20"-24" with the AUG), with better ballistic performance, while the overall length is reduced for vehicle use. Look at the photo earlier on this thread, showing an M4 next to a Tavor, and you can see there's a major difference in barrel length (muzzle to front of magazine).

So your suggestion that the Israelis "get a real rifle" is kind of funny in a way, because they were trying to get a rifle-length barrel when they adopted the Tavor. With the M4, they're basically giving up, and going back to short barrel ballistics (not a good idea with 5.56). Going to something like the Canadian C7A2 (with 20" barrel, or possibly with an 18" barrel like the Tavor) might have been a much better option...

;^)

33 posted on 09/08/2021 5:03:20 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("He therefore who may resist, must be allowed to strike." - John Locke)
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To: Bonemaker
I think the Brits and French use bullpups too. Terrible. Get a real rifle already!

The French are dropping the FAMAS F2 *Clarion* bullpup. The Germans have not been happy with the H&K G36, either.

55 posted on 09/17/2021 1:22:57 PM PDT by archy
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