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Scientist find a loophole in Heisenberg's uncertainty principle
Live Science ^ | 05/15/2021 | Ben Turner

Posted on 05/16/2021 9:35:06 AM PDT by BenLurkin

At its simplest, entanglement describes the idea that two particles can have an intrinsic connection that persists no matter how far apart they are. The particles are ethereally coupled: measure something about one particle, such as its position, and you’ll also glean information about the position of its entangled partner; make a change to one particle and your actions will teleport a corresponding change to the other, all at speeds faster than the speed of light.

The scientists in the first experiment... placed tiny drums, each around 10 micrometers long, on a crystal chip, before supercooling them to near absolute zero. With the drums chilled, the chances of them interacting with something outside of the system was dramatically reduced, enabling the scientists to coax the drums into an entangled state, vibrating in sync as they were hit with regular pulses of microwaves.

A second team of researchers... in Finland set out to use their own quantum drum system to sidestep one of quantum physics’ strictest rules...

First introduced by the German physicist Werner Heisenberg in 1927, the principle sets a hard limit to the absolute accuracy we can obtain when measuring some of the physical properties of a particle. .. that at its smallest, most fundamental level the universe is a fuzzy and unpredictable beast, never permitting complete information about it to be known.

But the second team of researchers found a way around this. By hitting their quantum drum continuously with photons, or light particles, like they would a snare drum, the researchers were able to tune their drums into an entangled state. Then, instead of measuring each individual drum’s position and momentum, the researchers treated the entangled drums as if they were a single, combined drum, and measured the imaginary drum’s position without affecting its velocity.

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: butterflyeffect; finland; heisenberg; particlephysics; physics
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1 posted on 05/16/2021 9:35:06 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: SunkenCiv

2 posted on 05/16/2021 9:35:38 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

How can they be certain about this?


3 posted on 05/16/2021 9:38:19 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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To: BenLurkin

Is there really ANY there there anywhere?


4 posted on 05/16/2021 9:41:16 AM PDT by Paladin2 (.)
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To: BenLurkin

So, they’re banging on drums for science.

Ask Professor Buddy Rich for his thoughts.


5 posted on 05/16/2021 9:41:27 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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To: BenLurkin
The scientists in the first experiment... placed tiny drums, each around 10 micrometers long, on a crystal chip, before supercooling them to near absolute zero.

Quantum bongos.

6 posted on 05/16/2021 9:41:36 AM PDT by Flick Lives (“Today we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives.”)
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To: Flick Lives

The Quantum Bongos.

Great name for an amusement park band.


7 posted on 05/16/2021 9:44:19 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

This is actually pretty neat. We’re stepping closer to a sort of Star Trek “subspace communication”; instantaneous communication between two locations no matter how far apart.


8 posted on 05/16/2021 9:44:26 AM PDT by Flick Lives (“Today we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives.”)
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To: BenLurkin

This doesn’t invalidate Heisenberg. You still aren’t observing the original particle to get it’s data.

It’s just a fudging the data.


9 posted on 05/16/2021 9:44:53 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (Conan the Sailing Librarian)
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To: Flick Lives

I was thinking of Stargate Destiny and the freaky spirit possession stones.


10 posted on 05/16/2021 9:45:25 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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To: Flick Lives
Quantum bongos.

Richard Feynman would have appreciated that.

11 posted on 05/16/2021 9:47:25 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: BenLurkin

No, it’s not a “way around” Heisenberg uncertainty.....Why? Because they are entangled in QS, there IS no “position” of the other drum you measured, it is in fact, in quantum state - all positions at once.

The reason they think it works is exactly because they didn’t measure the other drum. If you don’t “look” it is not synchronized with the first. If you look, it will be. You cannot assume it sync’d when you are not looking....double slit experiment all over again!


12 posted on 05/16/2021 9:49:40 AM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BenLurkin

“Scientist find a loophole in Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle”

Are they ‘sure’ about this?


14 posted on 05/16/2021 9:54:19 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: BenLurkin

From the Life Science web site:
“Will Science Someday Rule Out the Possibility of God?”

God Someday will Rule Out the Possibility of Science being correct about Him!

There, fixed it


15 posted on 05/16/2021 9:56:14 AM PDT by antidemoncrat (somRead more at: https://economicti)
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16 posted on 05/16/2021 9:56:37 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: BenLurkin

I was always a bit uncertain about this.


17 posted on 05/16/2021 10:00:33 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Non-binary transnormativity is a construct of intersectionality. Leftist gobbledegook stinks.)
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To: Conan the Librarian
> This doesn’t invalidate Heisenberg. You still aren’t observing the original particle to get it’s data. <

That was my first thought as well. They just made their “particle” really big. So maybe if a particle is big enough, you can measure it’s position without appearing to change its velocity.

But, hey. I got my degree from Faber College. So what do I know?


18 posted on 05/16/2021 10:01:05 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: BenLurkin
all at speeds faster than the speed of light

Here's what caught my eye - how is this possible?

19 posted on 05/16/2021 10:06:26 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Don't wish your enemy ill; plan it.)
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To: BenLurkin

Is the cat OK?


20 posted on 05/16/2021 10:06:49 AM PDT by sonova (That's what I always say sometimes.)
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