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What if most people have already had the virus?
Self ^ | 03/28/20 | self

Posted on 03/28/2020 4:22:06 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX

There is an article in the Financial Times saying that a medical researcher/statistician at Oxford believes that half of the UK's population has already had the virus. Several people disagreed with his study, but it is intriguing.

I suspect that I and several members of my family may have had the Wuhan virus in February. We assumed we had the flu, but the symptoms were not like typical flu symptoms. The cough was the worst.

If you think you may have had the virus, but didn't realize it at the time, please comment about your experience. Some think this virus was circulating in the US as early as last October.

If a whole bunch of people already had this virus and recovered, perhaps we can get back to normal much sooner than we thought.

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: antibodies; coronavirus
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To: dinodino
Based on the large-scale random testing the UK have been doing, this theory is unlikely to be correct.

You have no way to know that now.

They are just now trying to figure out a way to determine who has the antibodies.

101 posted on 03/28/2020 6:58:02 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: fuzzylogic

That coughing flu is different from wuhan.

I had both. With the cough, I had to sleep sitting up on my sofa.

Wuhan had a dry cough. My nose was stuffed, but nothing there.


102 posted on 03/28/2020 6:58:46 PM PDT by BarbM (Black Ice happens when car exhaust freezes to roads, the actual temp must be -5 or colder.)
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To: calenel

No, they don’t know and I’m home in Portland now.


103 posted on 03/28/2020 7:02:05 PM PDT by Aria
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To: Pining_4_TX

I got the flu shot....in early Dec right after we had family from the Seattle area here, who’s little boy was coughing and hacking, I had about a 10 day illness with mild fever, aches, pains, cough, stomach upset and extreme tiredness....it could have been covid....and I’ve heard several people say the same thing...


104 posted on 03/28/2020 7:03:53 PM PDT by cherry
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To: David Chase

We really don’t know, because the data is not widespread and not reliable. As was reported by one Italian authority, every death of a person who tested positive for Corona has been blamed on Corona, even if whatever else they had would have killed them anyway. The 100% Corona deaths were only about 12% of the total.


105 posted on 03/28/2020 7:04:26 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: David Chase; All

We know the distribution of symptom severity pretty well. 55% asymptomatic, 25% mild, 15% severe, 5% critical.

We know this from the Diamond Princess and from the South Korea data. Without going into major detail, we know because they tested everybody aboard the DP and hundreds of thousands of people in SK. Those were a complete population test and a very large sample, respectively.

Logically, if there were some vast horde of people that had already had it and not known it, there would have been hotspots all over the country, long before the spreaders from NYC got out and polluted the eastern seaboard. Because we know for a fact that asymptomatics can infect others. They don’t exist. They can’t exist because of the lack of positives and the lack of hotspots.

Unless you believe that there are vast numbers of people out there that have no symptoms, can’t infect others and don’t test positive. We do have a word for those kind of people. Uninfected.


106 posted on 03/28/2020 7:06:24 PM PDT by calenel (Don't panic. Prepare and be vigilant. Join the war effort. On the human side.)
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To: dinodino

what kind of testing did UK do?...because if people had it and recovered wouldn’t the test be negative..?....PCR would be the only way to check your population but that would be very extremely expensive....


107 posted on 03/28/2020 7:10:20 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Black Agnes

“The next question...if you had an early version of this, are you immune to it now still?”

if you had a strain of this you are temporarily (months, perhaps) immune to that strain. You may be immune or resistant to similar strains. Not guaranteed. It depends on if your immune system recognizes the virus.

Also, I think the pneumonia-like effects are not actually pneumonia, just a similar effect on the lungs directly from the CCP-19 virus. Not certain of that, though.


108 posted on 03/28/2020 7:10:37 PM PDT by calenel (Don't panic. Prepare and be vigilant. Join the war effort. On the human side.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

My DILS mother was in NYC for several days between Christmas and New Years. Right after returning from NY she got very ill, tested negative on flu and also a pneumonia test was negative as well. She was in and out of doctors office for a month before the pneumonia resolved, the doctor was stumped that she didn’t respond to meds and that it took as long as it did to recover. She now believes it was CV.

MY husband and I were in Florida for three days in mid Feb. a week later we both were super sick. Mine did not feel like a typical , no sneezing, not too much head congestion but a weird sore (achy) throat, fatigue, and it went into my chest. Dry cough, but no real shortness of breath. Resolved in about twelve days.


109 posted on 03/28/2020 7:13:04 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: ocrp1982

“None of the reports I read mentioned either differentiator. The doctors simply said people with Type O appear to have a resistance to this virus.”

I saw a study about the blood types of the fatalities at a certain location. In the general population, type-O blood occurs in a 2:1 proportion to type-A, but the type-As outnumbered the type-Os 2:1 among the dead. So, yes, it definitely appears that type-O offers some resistance. About 150 “participants” in the study, IIRC.


110 posted on 03/28/2020 7:19:19 PM PDT by calenel (Don't panic. Prepare and be vigilant. Join the war effort. On the human side.)
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To: goldstategop

“I’m waiting for the end of the world and the expected concurrent arrival of zombies.”

The zombies come with the reinfection.


111 posted on 03/28/2020 7:23:22 PM PDT by calenel (Don't panic. Prepare and be vigilant. Join the war effort. On the human side.)
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To: nevermorelenore
we had a young middle age woman in with terrible breathing problems needing oxygen and a terrible cough....negative for flu....

that as in early Feb....I wonder some times about her....

112 posted on 03/28/2020 7:24:19 PM PDT by cherry
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To: goodnesswins
Thank you for pinging us here. My wife and I have both volunteered and been paid to do work at the Life Care Center in Kirkland, the first place that this virus hit a vulnerable group of people in the US. We have half a million Chinese people living in Eastern King County, many of them visit their home land frequently. A high percentage of the 3 million Chinese people who visited the US last year made Seattle area one of their first stops, often to visit relatives.

Something was already up here in December and January. Epidemiologists in the area now believe that the coronavirus was being passed around here before it got to the Life Care Center. It seems very likely that many people have already had it and recovered. I do not know about our family. Many of us have been hacking around for what seems like months, but that is not actually uncommon this time of the year.

The number of deaths here appears to be declining and the intensive care units are no longer busier than normal. My friends on the fire department are exhausted from responding to young people with no symptoms who want to be tested and the emergency rooms have been full of people who think that they might have been exposed. But even that is starting to taper off. It would appear that this thing is tapering off much quicker than was predicted.

I believe this is because this highly contagious virus has almost run its course in this area and has almost nothing to do with the stay at home order. I am no longer worrying about the safety of our parents who are in their 80s. I will just be glad when it will be possible to buy toilet paper, paper towels, flour, sugar and rice again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/coronavirus-washington-state-leveling-off/2020/03/26/682790e6-6f6b-11ea-a3ec-70d7479d83f0_story.html

113 posted on 03/28/2020 7:26:25 PM PDT by fireman15
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To: Aria

11/20 would have been too early for it to be there, I think. A month later would be a different story.


114 posted on 03/28/2020 7:30:43 PM PDT by calenel (Don't panic. Prepare and be vigilant. Join the war effort. On the human side.)
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To: SecAmndmt

I wouldn’t be surprised if NYC is also calling all deaths, deaths from covid...


115 posted on 03/28/2020 7:31:23 PM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry

so one is on deaths’ door due to diabetes and end stage kidneyfailure, and in a weakened state, you pick up the covid....blame it on covid....


116 posted on 03/28/2020 7:33:21 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Pining_4_TX

My wife might have had it in mid January, and so did a good dozen or more of her coworkers.

The worst cold she ever had, fever, and on the couch for 5 days.


117 posted on 03/28/2020 7:34:31 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
That's actually pretty likely.

118 posted on 03/28/2020 7:34:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: cherry

Exactly! What a fun game of “let’s destroy the global economy”!

The only winners? Socialists, short sellers, anarchists, earth first movement, homeless/bums, welfare crowd, left wing politicians, gubbmint health care budgets, and..

Most people would be wise to “follow the money”


119 posted on 03/28/2020 7:35:14 PM PDT by Professional
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To: Responsibility2nd

80 percent of covid 19 “victims” are asymptomatic.


80% +/- are not hospitalized. Some are asymptomatic. Many have strong symptoms which are not sufficient to require hospitalization.


120 posted on 03/28/2020 7:35:46 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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