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Archaeology fossil teeth discovery in Germany could re-write human history
Deutsche Welle ^ | 19.10.2017 | Alistair Walsh

Posted on 11/02/2019 10:01:04 AM PDT by gnarledmaw

A 9.7-million-year-old discovery has left a team of German scientists scratching their heads. The teeth seem to belong to a species only known to have appeared in Africa several million years later.

A team of German archaeologists discovered a puzzling set of teeth in the former riverbed of the Rhine, the Museum of Natural History in Mainz announced on Wednesday.

The teeth don't appear to belong to any species discovered in Europe or Asia. They most closely resemble those belonging to the early hominin skeletons of Lucy (Australopithecus afarensis) and Ardi (Ardipithecus ramidus), famously discovered in Ethiopia.

But these new teeth, found in the western German town of Eppelsheim near Mainz, are at least 4 million years older than the African skeletons, which has scientists so puzzled they held off publishing for a year.

A specialist team will be carrying out further tests on the teeth.

"They are clearly ape-teeth," head of the team Herbert Lutz was quoted as saying by local online news outlet Merkurist (link in German) . "Their characteristics resemble African finds that are four to five million years younger than the fossils excavated in Eppelsheim. This is a tremendous stroke of luck, but also a great mystery."

In the press conference announcing the find, Mainz Mayor Michael Ebling claimed the find would force scientists to reconsider the history of early mankind.

"I don't want to over-dramatize it, but I would hypothesize that we shall have to start rewriting the history of mankind after today," Ebling was quoted as saying.

Regional archaeologist in the state of Rhineland-Palatinate Axel von Berg told news outlets that he was sure the the finds would receive a lot of attention. "This will amaze experts," he told a daily for the Rhine and Main river regions, Allgemeine Zeitung (link in German) .

The first paper on the find will be uploaded to Researchgate in a week's time. The teeth are still being examined in detail, but from the end of October they will be displayed at the Rhineland-Palatinate state exhibition "vorZEITEN" (link in German), after which they will go on display at the Museum of Natural History in Mainz, according to Die Welt (link in German).

The teeth were found by scientists sifting through gravel and sand in the bed of the Ur-Rhine, the former course of the river Rhine. The area has been a hotbed of fossil remains since 1820, when the first ape fossils were found. Since 2001, 25 new species have been discovered.

The teeth were found next to the remains of an extinct genus of horse, which helped them date the teeth.


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: anthropology; ardipithecus; australopithecus; eppelsheim; germany; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; missinglink; origins; palaeoanthropology; paleontology
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1 posted on 11/02/2019 10:01:04 AM PDT by gnarledmaw
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To: gnarledmaw
Most likely, archaeological false teeth as these "discoveries" trying to predate man prior to about 6000 years sooner or later turn up bogus.
2 posted on 11/02/2019 10:05:34 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: gnarledmaw

But, but, but, it was settled science? How could this happen?


3 posted on 11/02/2019 10:06:01 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: gnarledmaw

Ha! Get ready, Here we go...

Thanks for finding this and sharing it. :)


4 posted on 11/02/2019 10:06:03 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: gnarledmaw
"But these new teeth, found in the western German town of Eppelsheim near Mainz, are at least 4 million years older than the African skeletons, which has scientists so puzzled they held off publishing for a year.

Were they implants?
5 posted on 11/02/2019 10:07:30 AM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: gnarledmaw

Found in a riverbed....washed in from somewhere? Could earth geographical features be marred (no pun intended) by earthquakes...volcanoes...asteroids...floods? Among other things


6 posted on 11/02/2019 10:09:27 AM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: gnarledmaw
"...but I would hypothesize that we shall have to start rewriting the history of mankind after today,"

Again?

7 posted on 11/02/2019 10:10:58 AM PDT by TomServo
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To: gnarledmaw

Most of the “known science” in this field is based on where they find fossils


8 posted on 11/02/2019 10:11:54 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Jim 0216

Piltdown Part Deux.


9 posted on 11/02/2019 10:15:01 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: Getready

...washed in from somewhere?


Quite possibly, but Africa, where all the really old African stuff is usually found, isn’t upstream from the Rhine.


10 posted on 11/02/2019 10:19:52 AM PDT by hanamizu
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lol, fact.


11 posted on 11/02/2019 10:22:32 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: hanamizu

I meant to write “but Africa, where all the really old human/prehuman stuff is usually found...”


12 posted on 11/02/2019 10:25:16 AM PDT by hanamizu
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To: mewzilla
Piltdown Part Deux.

Precisely mon ami.

13 posted on 11/02/2019 10:25:50 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Dutch Boy

Must have been a “Sell by” date on it huh?


14 posted on 11/02/2019 10:31:37 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: Getready

Post ‘pangea’?


15 posted on 11/02/2019 10:32:52 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: gnarledmaw

What it upsets has less to do with the dates directly and more to do with questioning the “out of Africa” theory. The questions it opens up to the “human evolution” theories are (a) did the “hominids” in Africa start out earlier in central Europe, or (b) arise simultaneously (or contemporaniously) in multiple areas, not Africa alone. The extreme differences in the oldest examples from Africa and the new discovery are more suggestive of (a) than (b).


16 posted on 11/02/2019 10:35:54 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: gnarledmaw

Hasn’t anyone ever wondered what the tooth fairy does with all the teeth she collects.....?


17 posted on 11/02/2019 10:37:39 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I'm in the cleaning business.......I launder money)
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To: gnarledmaw
For anyone interested in reading about the history

A New History of the First Peoples in the Americas

A DNA Search for the First Americans Links Amazon Groups to Indigenous Australians

18 posted on 11/02/2019 10:58:07 AM PDT by deport
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And there it is... The effort to shame anyone who even dares think outside the theological box. If you don’t believe it fine, why go out of your way to make sure no one else even discusses it without trying to shame them for doing so? There have been a whole lot of factual science and physics proven since your beliefs that originate from the personal self righteous theory of one cleric in the 1600’s.

Right off the bat geology alone disproves Ussher’s theory altogether. Being stuck in the 1600’s mentality does not further or help your own faith at all. It aids in discrediting the rationality and logic of your faith based on well known science. It does you no favors with your own argument and support of your faith. The Bible only indicates and suggests a MINIMUM age not a MAXIMUM age.

“Most likely, archaeological false teeth as these “discoveries” trying to predate man prior to about 6000 years sooner or later turn up bogus.”

It is only bogus to you because you personally refuse to accept anything other. If anything at all is proven sooner or later, it is like this find, OLDER not younger... and it keeps getting older and older as those who believe what you do remain stuck in the ignorance of the 1600’s. How many times does Ussher’s personal theory need to be proved wrong before you stop shoving it down the throats of others?

http://godandscience.org/youngearth/age_of_the_earth.html


19 posted on 11/02/2019 10:58:53 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: gnarledmaw
Come in mothership.
Blrrrt
Yes, I've run into lift-off problems. Can you send down a recovery vessel?
Blrrrt.
Oh, really? Bummer. I should be able to live off the environment until you return.

20 posted on 11/02/2019 11:05:32 AM PDT by frog in a pot (Arguing the Founders intended the weakest of 2 possible forms of NBC for our leader is a scam.)
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