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Statins? On Nattokinase?
Vanity ^ | 10/08/2019 | struggle

Posted on 10/09/2019 7:50:23 PM PDT by struggle

I've been taking nattokinase for several months, and have seen a marked decrease in BP, cholesterol, and other issues.

I'm not saying this stuff is a panacea, but for those of you worried about your heart and taking statins, etc., nattokinase alone reduced thrombi and vascular thickening. If you don't believe me, look at the medical analyses by the NIH as there are several.

Japanese have higher BP than most Americans, but lower cholesterol. However, their heart health is far better than ours and since the 1980s numerous tests were made on nattokinase (the active ingredient in fermented soy beans). It also protects against strokes to some degree.

Again, I see a lot of threads about statins and people looking for alternatives.


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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

“Whether cholesterol causes heart disease is a correlation vs causation question and it is correlated but not definitively causative.”


Um, no. LDL is a physiological response to vascular damage. Vascular plaque is the result of persistent inflammation which is not permitted to heal. Think of a cut which is repeatedly-opened and the resultant scar and corresponding callus.

Statins reduce plaque and reduce deaths from cardiovascular disease but the inflammation triggers other symptoms...not any one disease, but a diseased state. Take your pick: The expressed symptoms are all common knowledge and labeled by an ignorant medical community as separate ‘diseases’.

Statin drugs are the biochemical equivalent to paint over dry rot: Looks great, but I wouldn’t buy it.

Statins nearly killed me before I woke up; others are merely rationalizing the pills’ effects...just like I did at first. The difference being that I was ‘lucky’, so-to-speak: None of the common statins affected my blood cholesterol so I took one which ended up with rather distinct side effects within 6 months.

I later learned that I now know more than most so-called ‘doctors’...


21 posted on 10/09/2019 10:03:09 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: logi_cal869

I happen to suspect you are right but what I stated is true.

Correlation, not proven to cause.

Men that beat their women are likely to be wearing a wife beater but wife beaters don’t cause wife beating.

Correlation without causation.


22 posted on 10/09/2019 10:09:51 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (TRUMP TRAIN !!! Get the hell out of the way if you are not on yet because we don't stop for idiots)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

I’m just thankful that Nattokinase was discovered and also Serrapeptase. They are super amazing natural medicines that change lives for the better.


23 posted on 10/09/2019 10:15:10 PM PDT by TexasCruzin (Trump is the man. #TrumpPence16)
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To: struggle

This is what you need to know: https://www.k-vitamins.com/


24 posted on 10/09/2019 11:04:13 PM PDT by sourcery (Non Aquiesco: "I do not consent" (Latin))
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To: logi_cal869
"I later learned that I now know more than most so-called ‘doctors’..."

When I told my doc that her lisinopril was actually designed from Brazilian pit viper venom, she went apoplectic. I am now off all prescription drugs and this morning my BP was 101 over 71 pulse 75. I'm older than B-36's.

25 posted on 10/09/2019 11:44:19 PM PDT by matthew fuller ( Trump's new immigration policy- Manifest Destiny!)
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To: TexasCruzin

...Nattokinase... and ....Serrapeptase...
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My husband has phlebitis, due to bad varicose veins. Dr. has him on aspirin, compression stockings,and warm compresses. Husband also takes a few supplements:reveratrol,tumeric, but not regularly. He has just begun a topical horse chestnut cream.

We are leery of the oral horse chestnut, due to reports of allergic reactions.

Those taking natto and serrapetase, would you recommend for phlebitis? Would you still take aspirin with these supplements? Any phlebitis experience appreciated.


26 posted on 10/10/2019 2:29:12 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: struggle

I’ll stick with eating meat & drinking water. Zero need for statins living this way!

https://justmeat.co/


27 posted on 10/10/2019 2:37:38 AM PDT by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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To: struggle

Blood pressure I get, given my mechanical background. But cholesterol, not so fast, considering that there’s no science linking high cholesterol with heart disease.

There are some interesting links between low cholesterol and cancer, and between statins and diabetes, though.


28 posted on 10/10/2019 3:52:40 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: sourcery

Thanks for the link. Interesting.


29 posted on 10/10/2019 4:15:31 AM PDT by gattaca ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." Ronald Reagan)
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To: 9YearLurker

I said that myself... my 53 yr old husband had 5 bypasses three weeks ago. He has controlled diabetes completely with Atkins. He just has a double dose of bad genes from mom and dad causing an endogenous dyslipidemia.
The thoracic surgeon who open ended him up said diet won’t correct the profuseness of his disease because diet didn’t cause it.
Makes sense, we eat proportionally the same diet. He was told he will have another open heart within 10 years, so cardio 5 days a week now to survive it.
He is on increasingly high levels of statins. He tried them after his stent 5 years ago, but couldn’t tolerate.
We thought controlling the diabetes would fix it.. we thought diet would fix it.
We were wrong. I hope the statins and cardio give us another 10 years.


30 posted on 10/10/2019 4:32:45 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Ephesians 6... who you are really at war with)
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To: momincombatboots

Yes, it certainly sounds as if he’s been dealt a tough hand. The type that modern medicine has been able to save and keep around quite a bit longer. I hope you have another 10 years together too.


31 posted on 10/10/2019 5:13:01 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: struggle

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/new-study-finds-that-statins-prevent-cardiovascular-deaths/

Scientific refutation, please.


32 posted on 10/10/2019 5:31:44 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Epstein proves it's all a charade.)
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To: TexasCruzin

I thought I was the only one that ever heard of, and take, Serrapeptase. I have Prinzmetal Angina and was having 2-4 attacks a month. Started taking Serrapetase for something else and the angina attacks stopped. Have taken it 3-4 years now.


33 posted on 10/10/2019 6:23:30 AM PDT by sheana
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To: 9YearLurker
"The question is whether cholesterol ever really was a difference maker here. A fair amount of evidence that it wasn’t."

Total cholesterol isn't. HDL vs LDL most definitely is. Low total and high HDL = bad. High total and high LDL = good (though low total and high LDL = better).

If you take statins, also take CoQ10. Just like if you must take antibiotics, also take "probiotics".

34 posted on 10/10/2019 6:50:14 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Wonder Warthog

You seem rather certain of your “science”—I’m not so sure that has really been demonstrated.


35 posted on 10/10/2019 7:11:52 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: struggle
I take WIEDER RED YEAST RICE. When my cholesterol was over 200, my doctor wanted me to take Atorvastatin. Instead, I took the red yeast rice. My cholesterol is now at a safe level and my doctor no longer bothers me about it.
36 posted on 10/10/2019 9:05:38 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (With every passing day, I am a little bit gladder that Romney lost in 2012.)
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To: 9YearLurker
"You seem rather certain of your “science”—I’m not so sure that has really been demonstrated."

PhD chemist. Fifty years science experience. Everything I have read in those fifty years says that it "has been demonstrated", both the total cholesterol error and the LDL/HDL effects.

37 posted on 10/10/2019 9:39:28 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: matthew fuller

Kudos! Live long and prosper.


38 posted on 10/10/2019 9:54:52 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Maybe you need to do some more reading.

https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/study-says-theres-no-link-between-cholesterol-and-heart-disease/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6024687/


39 posted on 10/10/2019 4:38:22 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Your first link has things precisely backwards. LDL is not the bad actor....HDL is. LDL is protective.

Your second link focuses only on DIETARY cholesterol, not total cholesterol load. DIETARY cholesterol was shown long ago NOT to be the controlling factor.

Above based on a quick scan. I will read these more in depth, but my initial take is that these “studies” are not to be trusted.


40 posted on 10/10/2019 6:14:22 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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