Posted on 10/09/2019 7:50:23 PM PDT by struggle
I've been taking nattokinase for several months, and have seen a marked decrease in BP, cholesterol, and other issues.
I'm not saying this stuff is a panacea, but for those of you worried about your heart and taking statins, etc., nattokinase alone reduced thrombi and vascular thickening. If you don't believe me, look at the medical analyses by the NIH as there are several.
Japanese have higher BP than most Americans, but lower cholesterol. However, their heart health is far better than ours and since the 1980s numerous tests were made on nattokinase (the active ingredient in fermented soy beans). It also protects against strokes to some degree.
Again, I see a lot of threads about statins and people looking for alternatives.
“Whether cholesterol causes heart disease is a correlation vs causation question and it is correlated but not definitively causative.”
Um, no. LDL is a physiological response to vascular damage. Vascular plaque is the result of persistent inflammation which is not permitted to heal. Think of a cut which is repeatedly-opened and the resultant scar and corresponding callus.
Statins reduce plaque and reduce deaths from cardiovascular disease but the inflammation triggers other symptoms...not any one disease, but a diseased state. Take your pick: The expressed symptoms are all common knowledge and labeled by an ignorant medical community as separate ‘diseases’.
Statin drugs are the biochemical equivalent to paint over dry rot: Looks great, but I wouldn’t buy it.
Statins nearly killed me before I woke up; others are merely rationalizing the pills’ effects...just like I did at first. The difference being that I was ‘lucky’, so-to-speak: None of the common statins affected my blood cholesterol so I took one which ended up with rather distinct side effects within 6 months.
I later learned that I now know more than most so-called ‘doctors’...
I happen to suspect you are right but what I stated is true.
Correlation, not proven to cause.
Men that beat their women are likely to be wearing a wife beater but wife beaters don’t cause wife beating.
Correlation without causation.
I’m just thankful that Nattokinase was discovered and also Serrapeptase. They are super amazing natural medicines that change lives for the better.
This is what you need to know: https://www.k-vitamins.com/
When I told my doc that her lisinopril was actually designed from Brazilian pit viper venom, she went apoplectic. I am now off all prescription drugs and this morning my BP was 101 over 71 pulse 75. I'm older than B-36's.
...Nattokinase... and ....Serrapeptase...
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My husband has phlebitis, due to bad varicose veins. Dr. has him on aspirin, compression stockings,and warm compresses. Husband also takes a few supplements:reveratrol,tumeric, but not regularly. He has just begun a topical horse chestnut cream.
We are leery of the oral horse chestnut, due to reports of allergic reactions.
Those taking natto and serrapetase, would you recommend for phlebitis? Would you still take aspirin with these supplements? Any phlebitis experience appreciated.
I’ll stick with eating meat & drinking water. Zero need for statins living this way!
Blood pressure I get, given my mechanical background. But cholesterol, not so fast, considering that there’s no science linking high cholesterol with heart disease.
There are some interesting links between low cholesterol and cancer, and between statins and diabetes, though.
Thanks for the link. Interesting.
I said that myself... my 53 yr old husband had 5 bypasses three weeks ago. He has controlled diabetes completely with Atkins. He just has a double dose of bad genes from mom and dad causing an endogenous dyslipidemia.
The thoracic surgeon who open ended him up said diet won’t correct the profuseness of his disease because diet didn’t cause it.
Makes sense, we eat proportionally the same diet. He was told he will have another open heart within 10 years, so cardio 5 days a week now to survive it.
He is on increasingly high levels of statins. He tried them after his stent 5 years ago, but couldn’t tolerate.
We thought controlling the diabetes would fix it.. we thought diet would fix it.
We were wrong. I hope the statins and cardio give us another 10 years.
Yes, it certainly sounds as if he’s been dealt a tough hand. The type that modern medicine has been able to save and keep around quite a bit longer. I hope you have another 10 years together too.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/new-study-finds-that-statins-prevent-cardiovascular-deaths/
Scientific refutation, please.
I thought I was the only one that ever heard of, and take, Serrapeptase. I have Prinzmetal Angina and was having 2-4 attacks a month. Started taking Serrapetase for something else and the angina attacks stopped. Have taken it 3-4 years now.
Total cholesterol isn't. HDL vs LDL most definitely is. Low total and high HDL = bad. High total and high LDL = good (though low total and high LDL = better).
If you take statins, also take CoQ10. Just like if you must take antibiotics, also take "probiotics".
You seem rather certain of your “science”—I’m not so sure that has really been demonstrated.
PhD chemist. Fifty years science experience. Everything I have read in those fifty years says that it "has been demonstrated", both the total cholesterol error and the LDL/HDL effects.
Kudos! Live long and prosper.
Your first link has things precisely backwards. LDL is not the bad actor....HDL is. LDL is protective.
Your second link focuses only on DIETARY cholesterol, not total cholesterol load. DIETARY cholesterol was shown long ago NOT to be the controlling factor.
Above based on a quick scan. I will read these more in depth, but my initial take is that these “studies” are not to be trusted.
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