Posted on 06/29/2019 6:34:55 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
If you are born in Guam or Puerto Rico, you are automatically granted citizenship. If you are born in American Samoa, that isn't the case. Despite American Samoa's status as a U.S. territory, the people who are born there aren't technically U.S. citizens. They're called U.S. nationals, a status that means they pay American taxes but cannot vote, run for office, or serve on a jury. They also have special passports that declare them nationals, but not U.S. citizens.
Notice I said officer. You have to be a citizen for that, tho you can be naturalized.
Apparently you missed all the court cases during 2008 and 2012
Still waiting for sheriff joes proof
It doesn’t make a difference. Both McCain’s parents were American. Section 301(c) of the immigration act grants him citizenship. Period. You may believe that it should be that a person has to be born in the country to be a citizen. But that’s not the law as it is currently written. There are a lot of American citizens that were born outside the borders. Lots of people work in the military or work in embassies around the world. There are also lots of expatriates.
The whole argument is moot anyway. Like I said, it would come down to Supreme Court interpretation. And there is no way Roberts is going to reverse an election. No way in hell.
The August 2019 issue of Vietnam magazine tells the remarkable tale of Capt. Larry Thorne, born Lauri Alan Torni in 1919 in Viipuri, Finland. He fought against the Soviet Union in the 1940 Winter War, where he compiled an outstanding combat record and was commisioned as a Finnish officer. He joined the Waffen SS in the Continuation War when the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union, and was commissioned as an Untersurmfuher (2nd Lieutenant), was awarded the Mannerheim Cross of Liberty (Finland’s highest decoration for bravery) and the German Iron Cross, 1st Class.
After the war he illegally entered the US, got some strings pulled by highly decorated anti-Soviet Finnish officers, and was allowed to enlist in the US Army. He changed his name to Larry Thorne and joined the the 77th Special forces Group. (Airborne)
He was commissioned as a 1st looie in 1957, and a Captain in 1960 with the 10th Special Forces Group in Germany.
He served 2 tours in Vietnam and compiled an excellent combat record of counterinsurgency. His men thought that he was the most outstanding combat commander that they ever knew. Hre did it all, LRRP patrols, base defense, ambuhes, and infiltration. He defended the Tinh Bien camp on the mekong River near the Cambodian border and inflicted horrendous casualties on the VC. He died in a helicopter crash in October of 1965. Thorne Hall at Fort Carson is named in his honor, and each summer the 10th Special Forces Group awards the Thorne Award for excellence to an outstanding candidate. He is also enshrined in the US Special Operations Command Commando Hall of Honor at MacDilll AFB in FL.
I could find no indications that he ever became an a US citizen. FYI. I just thought that this was an unusual and amazing story, about an unusual hero.
as i posted in number 79
why did congress pass a resolution for mccain
Minor vs Happersett 1875
Chief Justice Waite:
The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.
Citizen is different than natural born citizen as evidenced by Article II sec 1
If the 14th amendment does not apply to overseas territories, then it should not apply to any illegals coming over either, nor to anchor babies...
Constitutional expert Ted Cruz said he was not eligible until he decided to run and lose spectacularly. Harris is anchor baby and not eligible, and Gabbard is US national, NOT US citizen, thus also not eligible.
Natural born citizen is with two US citizen parents. Beside arguing over whether the constitution is to be followed or not, how about the question of why we have so many in-eligible people running? Cruz, Rubio, Harris, Gabbard, Obama, etc.?
Her mother was born in Indiana, so she is eligible.
Election season: Time for the “NBC” crowd to wish-cast and day dream about what no court or state Secretary of State has done or is going to do, namely keep a U.S.-born Presidential candidate off of a ballot.
I suppose it might be fun to exchange Venn diagrams and common law texts and apply them to the various candidates with foreign parents, etc... but in the end it will matter not one little bit.
So true. I am still looking into Julian Castro. I think that he might be another ineligible one.
We need the SCOTUS to weigh in on this NOW, since our overlord masters and politicians seem unable or unwilling to read and understand the intent of the constitution.
“how about the question of why we have so many in-eligible people running? Cruz, Rubio, Harris, Gabbard, Obama, etc.?“
Simple, the powers that be, INCLUDING the republicans, want the natural born clause destroyed. It is one of the greatest safeguards left to us by the founders. We would do well to keep it.
Pay attention.
Any child born abroad in any country to a US Citizen is a US Citizen by parentage. That person is a natural born citizen.
8 USC 1409
What it is infested with are conspiracy buffs, idiots who fashion themselves jailhouse lawyers and others who display their stupidity and ignorance by insisting that they CAN correctly interpret the law even though none of them have spent a day in law school, dont have a license to practice law and insist that their google search is the same as a law degree.
Don’t know the law in 1948 regarding Samoa.
Despite American Samoa’s status as a U.S. territory, the people who are born there aren’t technically U.S. citizens. They’re called U.S. nationals, a status that means they pay American taxes but cannot vote, run for office, or serve on a jury. They also have special passports that declare them nationals, but not U.S. citizens.
Evidently, Tulsi’s parents are American citizens. Her mother definitely is, so it appears that Tulsi was born an American citizen.
please explain why congress needed a resolution for MCCain I’ll pay attention., you seem so needy.
Samoa is an exception because it is “unincorporated”
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