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War of Will Suffered Worse Interference in Belmont Stakes than in Derby
June 10, 2019 | ML/NJ

Posted on 06/10/2019 10:26:28 AM PDT by ml/nj

INMO War of Will suffered more severe interference than he did in the Derby. I didn't realize this as I watched the race live, but viewing the NBC video as I can now I think Jockey Rosario riding the eventual winner, Sir Winston, anticipated an opening as much or more than Saez did with Maximum Security in the Derby.

Start watching the NBC Video at 2:28. There, War of Will is in the three path with Tacitus outside him in the four path. Sir Winston is just behind the leaders halfway between the one and two paths about even with War of Will and Tacitus. Moving forward Sir Winston moves outside and Tacitus comes in slamming War of Will sideways at the 2:32 mark.

So why wasn't there an objection? Sir Winston and War of Will have a common trainer and it might be that War of Will's jockey didn't want to do anything to cost Sir Winston the victory.

Why wasn't there a Steward's Inquiry? It was my opinion after the Derby that virtually no one would have been talking about the foul and potential danger to the horses if there had been no Inquiry there. That discussion about the dangers was not good for Horse Racing. And so here there was a foul again, but no Inquiry; and no one is talking about it. Did the NYRA/Belmont Stewards act in the best interests of Horse Racing?

ML/NJ


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: belmont; belmontstakes; warofwill
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1 posted on 06/10/2019 10:26:28 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ETL

ping


2 posted on 06/10/2019 10:26:59 AM PDT by ml/nj (.)
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To: ml/nj

What is going on with the horse races?


3 posted on 06/10/2019 10:27:59 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: ml/nj

I love casinos but stopped going 3 years ago. Getting older and don’t want to spend like I used to.

Are these horse racing places fun?

Can you gamble just a few bucks?

Or do folks here just watch? Which is cool.

Just wondering...


4 posted on 06/10/2019 10:28:56 AM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: Biggirl

Like what happened to basketball: It’s become a contact sport.

Kinda like car racing, come to think of it.

But I’ve never been a fan. I prefer to play sports rather than watch.


5 posted on 06/10/2019 10:29:36 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: dp0622

I live 8 miles from Finger Lakes Ractrack and Casino. I’ve lived here for 15 years, never set foot in the place.

Went to Las Vegas on business and went to the Bellagio for dinner. Didn’t spend a dime on any of the games.

I don’t gamble....ever.


6 posted on 06/10/2019 10:51:43 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Life is about ass, you're either covering, hauling, laughing, kicking, kissing, or behaving like one)
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To: ml/nj

I didn’t even remember the Belmont stakes happened Saturday.

With this year’s controversies, this race fell off my radar.


7 posted on 06/10/2019 10:55:13 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: dp0622

It can be fun on a nice day. Wager $2 on each race.


8 posted on 06/10/2019 10:57:33 AM PDT by Rio
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To: Ouderkirk

Jim! “What are the Finger Lakes?”


9 posted on 06/10/2019 11:09:53 AM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: ml/nj
I bet on Tacitus, Tacitus was cutoff at the same time.

Here is the BIG difference between what happened here and what happened in the Derby. In the Derby Maximum Security had a clear lane to run in and had no need to veer out of her lane. In the Belmont, Sir Winston did not have a clear lane, and therefore is allowed to move to the outside.

It really is a shame that the 2 best horses were next too each other on the outside. Had one or both of them started from a better position it would have been a much better race.

Starting from the outside is harder to win. Typically the better horse starting outside would need to sprint harder at the beginning of the race, so as to not get stuck in behind slower horses. This is a gamble because you don't want to waste too much energy and have none left to sprint at the finish. What I think happened here is that the 2 best horses were on the outside and they basically had a two horse race going on. The jockeys on Tacitus and War of Will held plenty in reserve to outsprint each other at the finish. The problem is they waited too long and Sir Winston made his move in front of them. I think it was excellent jocking on the part of Sir Winston's jockey that won the race for him.
10 posted on 06/10/2019 11:40:07 AM PDT by MMaschin (The difference between strategy and tactics!)
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To: dp0622
The very first horse race I ever went to was with a girlfriend at the time, her father & his girlfriend. He asked me if I was going to bet, I said no. He said you've got to bet on the big exacta (I believe that was what it was called). So I picked 2 horses: 1 to win and 1 to come in 2nd. My picks came in as picked. Her father said now you get to play the 2nd half of the big exacta. Pick the 1st & 2nd place horses in this race. So okay, this time I studied all the horses a lot more than the random pick in the 1st race, not really knowing what to look for in a horse. 8>)

Well the 2 horses I picked had a photo finish, meaning they would have to examine the photo to determine which horse won & which one came in second.

Let's just say I would have won like 5 thousand, for a 2.00 bet, had the photo gone my way. 8>)

My girlfriend leaned over and hit me, LOL. Like I was gonna share it with her!!!

11 posted on 06/10/2019 11:41:58 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: dp0622
Are these horse racing places fun? Can you gamble just a few bucks? Or do folks here just watch?

All of the above.

I think they're fun if you play the game. That is, if you get the Past Performances (histories and information for each horse in each race) and try to figure out who is going to win. For me, betting is just a way to keep score. My total bets on any given day are less than 10% of what I make in an hour. The people who make the winning bets divide the money bet by the losers minus 15 to 20% that the track takes for purses and other expenses. So you're really playing against the other people who bet, not the track. You can bet as little as a dollar (or even less on some "exotic" bets) or nothing at all. Once you get into it, there are almost infinite things to discuss with friends and even strangers.

You should be aware that the racing folks try to promote "important" races and race days, but every race is a puzzle to me so I enjoy the "unimportant" races just as much as the "important" ones. Usually admission, a seat, and parking will cost $10 or less. At Belmont on Saturday these cost me $120. Food can be a ripoff too on big days. A Coors Lite can was $11 at Belmont on Saturday.

You can also play at home for free. The past performances are available on line for a nominal fee. (The one I use cost a dollar a day per track.) You have to deposit money in an account. Then you can bet and watch on your computer just as if you were at the track. Some racetracks are beautiful and I like the whole racetrack atmosphere which is why I don't just play the game at my kitchen table.

ML/NJ

12 posted on 06/10/2019 12:02:57 PM PDT by ml/nj (.)
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To: MMaschin
Sir Winston did not have a clear lane, and therefore is allowed to move to the outside.

You have no idea what you are talking about. When you don't know about something, it's best not to demonstrate that fact here on FR.

And BTW, Maximum Security is a him.

ML/NJ

13 posted on 06/10/2019 12:07:18 PM PDT by ml/nj (.)
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To: MMaschin
Tacitus was cutoff at the same time.

Did you watch the video? Tacitus came in and slammed into War of Will, taking over the three path. He was never cut off. After that, he ducked inside, and then his jockey corrected and moved him outside.

ML/NJ

14 posted on 06/10/2019 12:11:49 PM PDT by ml/nj (.)
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To: ml/nj

War of Will must be a Democrat. “If I didn’t win, they cheated.”


15 posted on 06/10/2019 12:53:46 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: dp0622

I love the races. I do go to the track occasionally. Yes, it’s fun.

Small wagers — the minimum is $2. As my wife says, it gives you a rooting interest.

Tip — After reading the form charts in the program, go down to the paddock and watch the horses. The form chart will tell you how the horse has done, which is useful information, but watching them gives you a better idea of how the horse looks today. Now. Which is when this race is being run.

Just make sure you get to the parimutuel window before post time so you can put down your $2.

I’d just watch a few races (hang around some “horse people”) before betting. Get a feel for it. The first race I ever put money on was the fourth race of the day. He was a 17-1 shot and he won for me.


16 posted on 06/10/2019 1:00:09 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: MMaschin
Starting from the outside is harder to win.

Because, being on the outside, you're actually running a longer race than the horses on the inside.

17 posted on 06/10/2019 1:03:00 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: ml/nj

I want to see Maximum Security, Country House, War of Will, and Sir Winston go at it n the Breeders Cup.


18 posted on 06/10/2019 1:03:57 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: Biggirl

What? You are surprised that wealthy folks with large disposable incomes will cheat to win?


19 posted on 06/10/2019 1:04:19 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: ml/nj

I’ve been to Belmont (including the day Secretariat won the Triple Crown), Santa Anita, Keeneland, Laurel (several times; near me), and a couple of others. I like them all.


20 posted on 06/10/2019 1:10:38 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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