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Matter Sucked in by Black Holes May Travel into the Future, Get Spit Back Out
LiveScience.com ^ | Dec 18, 2018 | Don Lincoln, Senior Scientist, Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory; Adjunct Professor of Physics

Posted on 12/21/2018 12:36:00 PM PST by ETL

Black holes are among the most mysterious places in the universe; locations where the very fabric of space and time are warped so badly that not even light can escape from them. According to Einstein's theory of general relativity, at their center lies a singularity, a place where the mass of many stars is crushed into a volume with exactly zero size. However, two recent physics papers, published on Dec.10 in the journals Physical Review Letters and Physical Review D, respectively, may make scientists reconsider what we think we know about black holes. Black holes might not last forever, and it's possible that we've completely misunderstood their nature and what they look like at the center, according to the papers.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Chit/Chat; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; darkenergy; darkforce; darkmatter; science; speedofdark; stringtheory
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1 posted on 12/21/2018 12:36:00 PM PST by ETL
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To: ETL

Let’s wait and see.


2 posted on 12/21/2018 12:37:02 PM PST by rightwingcrazy
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To: ETL

Since the future hasn’t happened yet, I


3 posted on 12/21/2018 12:42:12 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: ETL

BS.................


4 posted on 12/21/2018 12:42:17 PM PST by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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To: ETL

“and it’s possible that we’ve completely misunderstood their nature and what they look like at the center,”

Well, I agree with that part.


5 posted on 12/21/2018 12:47:28 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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I’m having venison neck roast for supper.....


6 posted on 12/21/2018 12:48:01 PM PST by TnTnTn
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To: ETL

This is what happens when 8th grade science students smoke dope.


7 posted on 12/21/2018 12:50:04 PM PST by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: ETL
Only into the future?

So this won't open up new career opportunities for history majors?

8 posted on 12/21/2018 12:50:08 PM PST by x
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To: rightwingcrazy

I can see the future headline: I was sucked into a black hole.


9 posted on 12/21/2018 12:50:50 PM PST by antidemoncrat
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To: ETL
What you will see just before being ripped to shreds:


10 posted on 12/21/2018 12:51:09 PM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: ETL

Hasn’t this been a hollywood science fiction plot line since, forever?


11 posted on 12/21/2018 12:52:37 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: ETL

That’s impossible, so it doesn’t happen.


12 posted on 12/21/2018 12:56:30 PM PST by I want the USA back (There are two sexes: male (pronoun HE), and female (pronoun SHE). Denial of this is insanity.)
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To: ETL
One example...


13 posted on 12/21/2018 12:56:50 PM PST by moovova
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To: ETL

I’ve been to the future and I can assure you, nothing from this time made it there. Except a bag of Cheetos, something in my refrigerator, and a bill from Verizon that is more than 2,000 years overdue.


14 posted on 12/21/2018 12:57:14 PM PST by IronJack
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To: Slyfox

I was just reading about Arthur C. Clarke. He said his inspiration for that scene was looking at a slice of the human brain under a microscope.


15 posted on 12/21/2018 12:57:23 PM PST by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: Red Badger

Red Badger is following the fine example set by his ancestors through the centuries...
1. Galileo Galilei’s Experiment on Speed of Falling Objects - “BS”
2. James Prescott Joule‘s Energy Conservation Experiment - “BS”
3. Isaac Newton’s Discovery of Light Spectrum - “BS”
4. Henry Cavendish’s Earth Density Experiment - “BB”
5. Hippolyte Fizeau’s Experiment on Light Speed - “BS”
6. Robert Millikan’s Measurement of the Charge of Electron - “BS”
7. Enrico Fermi’s Nuclear Chain Reaction Experiment - “BS”
8. Rutherford’s Gold Foil Experiment and Atomic Structure - “BS”
9. Rosalind Franklin DNA Radiographs - “BS”
10. Foucault’s Pendulum Experiment - “BS”


16 posted on 12/21/2018 12:58:18 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ETL
I clicked on the article thinking it said,

"Mattis Sucked in by Black Holes May Travel into the Future, Get Spit Back Out."


17 posted on 12/21/2018 12:58:21 PM PST by jonrick46 (Cultural Marxism is the cult of the Left waiting for the Mothership.)
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To: TnTnTn

I like chocolate.


18 posted on 12/21/2018 12:59:31 PM PST by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: Moonman62

Interesting.


19 posted on 12/21/2018 12:59:47 PM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: rightwingcrazy; SkyDancer; Red Badger; UCANSEE2; G Larry; x; antidemoncrat; Slyfox; Rebelbase; ...
Here’s the paper the article refers to...

Viewpoint: Black Hole Evolution Traced Out with Loop Quantum Gravity

Carlo Rovelli, Center of Theoretical Physics, CNRS, Aix-Marseille University and Toulon University, Marseille, France

December 10, 2018• Physics 11, 127

Loop quantum gravity—a theory that extends general relativity by quantizing spacetime—predicts that black holes evolve into white holes.

Black holes are remarkable entities. On the one hand, they have now become familiar astrophysical objects that have been observed in large numbers and in many ways: we have evidence of stellar-mass holes dancing around with a companion star, of gigantic holes at the center of galaxies pulling in spiraling disks of matter, and of black hole pairs merging in a spray of gravitational waves. All of this is beautifully accounted for by Einstein’s century-old theory of general relativity. Yet, on the other hand, black holes remain highly mysterious. We see matter falling into them, but we are in the dark about what happens to this matter when it reaches the center of the hole.

Abhay Ashtekar and Javier Olmedo at Pennsylvania State University in University Park and Parampreet Singh at Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge, have taken a step toward answering this question [1]. They have shown that loop quantum gravity—a candidate theory for providing a quantum-mechanical description of gravity—predicts that spacetime continues across the center of the hole into a new region that exists in the future and has the geometry of the interior of a white hole. A white hole is the time-reversed image of a black hole: in it, matter can only move outwards. The passage “across the center” into a future region is counterintuitive; it is possible thanks to the strong distortion of the spacetime geometry inside the hole that is allowed by general relativity.

This result supports a hypothesis under investigation by numerous research groups: the future of all black holes may be to convert into a real white hole, from which the matter that has fallen inside can bounce out. However, existing theories have not been able to fully show a way for this bounce to happen. That loop quantum gravity manages to do it is an indication that this theory has ripened enough to tackle real-world situations.

The reason why we are in the dark about aspects of black hole physics is that quantum phenomena dominate at the center and in the future of these objects. Classical general relativity predicts that a black hole lives forever and that its center is a “singularity” where space and time end. These predictions are not realistic because they disregard quantum effects. To tackle these effects we need a quantum theory of gravity. We don’t yet have consensus on such a theory, but we have candidates, some of which are now reaching the point of allowing actual calculations on the quantum behavior of black holes. Loop quantum gravity, which has a clean conceptual structure and a well-defined mathematical formulation based on representing the fabric of space as a spin network that evolves in time, is one such theory.

During the last few years, a number of research groups have applied loop theory to explore the evolution of black holes. These efforts are building a compelling picture based on a black-to-white-hole transition scenario (Fig. 1), which can be summarized as follows [2]. At the center of the black hole, space and time do not end in a singularity, but continue across a short transition region where the Einstein equations are violated by quantum effects. From this region, space and time emerge with the structure of a white hole interior, a possibility suggested in the 1930s by physicist John Lighton Synge [3].

As the hole’s center evolves, its external surface, or “horizon,” slowly shrinks because of the emission of radiation—a phenomenon first described by Stephen Hawking. This shrinkage continues until the horizon reaches the Planck size (the characteristic scale of quantum gravity) or earlier [4, 5], at which point a quantum transition (“quantum tunneling”) happens at the horizon, turning it into the horizon of a white hole (Fig. 2).

Thanks to the peculiar distorted relativistic geometry, the white hole interior born at the center joins the white horizon, completing the formation of the white hole.

More at link

https://physics.aps.org/articles/v11/127

20 posted on 12/21/2018 1:00:37 PM PST by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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