Posted on 05/19/2018 11:16:18 PM PDT by Trump20162020
In a sometimes-surreal interview with Greek television news channel Antenna, Antonios Pagourtzis, the father of the accused school shooter in Texas said that his son wasn’t a criminal, but a victim.
His comment came during a telephone interview that the network broadcast on their newscast in Greece.
Pagourtzis denied any responsibility in his son’s murderous rampage that killed ten people in a Texas school, criticizing people who said that there was blood on his guns.
“The guns were clean,” Pagourtzis said in the interview, adding that he as hurt that a lot of the negative press about him was coming from his homeland, Greece.
But the most shocking statement in the interview was when the grieving father stated categorically that his son wasn’t a criminal— but, in fact, a victim. He blamed others who may have “bothered” his son, whom he described as a strong kid.
(Excerpt) Read more at pappaspost.com ...
He blamed others
Is Obama and Media in the house?.
Perhaps because of grief, perhaps because of guilt, perhaps because of remorse.... but this guy is off his rocker.
The well spring IS the insanity... it's NOT 'crazy people'... it's incentives creating 'crazy'... Culture rules of Western Civilization were thrown out for ... nothing. For meaningless nihilism. "Rules' based on the abyss and short term gain.
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Many of these kids who are wind up murdering their classmates are incapable of being friends. They are socially repulsive, angry malcontents. Oh, and they're psychotic. You can't force the other students to befriend them. In fact, they probably tried.
As a parent myself, I can't think of a worse phone call to receive, other than "your child has been killed" is "your child murdered his classmates."
Many of these shooters grew up in dysfunctional homes but others didn't. Growing up in the shadows of Columbine, I often thought of the parents of the killers, seemingly well-adjusted, intact middle-class homes, what we call "normal" families. They had children to bury as well, children they loved and thought they raised right.
I remember very well. Not only that, but they did a crackdown on kids in school making threats. It got kids arrested, but shootings happened afterwards and it didn’t seem to solve the problem.
This is absurd. He pesters a girl who is not interested in him (and it’s obvious for good reason) and he kills her along with nine others, and he is the victim! Only somebody not mentally right thinks that way. This family should never have been allowed to migrated to this country.
If that seems harsh or offends some, please know, I don't give a damn! Animals like this or MS-13 and the like should simply be removed from society permanently, they will never mesh well with honest decent citizens.
I believe you are on the right track. Also—bet we find a lot of these shooters are playing the same video games. With what we know about MK Ultra and mind control capabilities of the intelligence services, what do you think are the chances that these shooters can be manipulated and compelled into a false flag event? Look at the circumstances surround the Navy Yard shooter in 2013. Seems to me also that we are hearing very little information about the shooters who survive and are arrested.
One wild assumption after another is being made here on this thread. If you read the family background, they were religious and active in their church, as were their kids. Both the mother and father appear to have backed a MAGA philosophy of supporting the NRA (the father) and the wife making religious posts on FB as well as a MAGA comment. The father posted family pics of him hugging his kids. In other words a pretty typical family.
The boy took a bad turn somewhere along the line, possibly because of bullying, possibly because of extremely immature proclivities, shyness, fragile ego, whatever, and it appears he got into the dark side of today’s cultural life that chooses mass shootings as a means of coping with their mental fantasies and problems. I think the kid starting obsessing over his personal problems that he kept to himself, and started plotting his revenge for said slights by becoming even more obsessive and fixated on a deadly “cure”. I don’t see how this could have easily been picked up on by most anyone, because his behavior just didn’t manifest itself obviously to others.
We as a society can’t possibly account for the actions of every oddball’s actions within a country with a population of approximately 250 million, give or take a few million, plus people. What we can do is better fortify and protect our schools, institute checks at entryways, stop building more mega schools that are easy targets with too many entryways, have anonymous hotlines (both phone and email) for students to report repeated bizarre or abnormal behavior on the part of their fellow students, etc.
This last method would have to be carefully monitored and reviewed though, so that it isn’t used as a way for students with axes of their own to grind to report a fellow student for alleged bizarre behavior. Careful followup by counselors and discreet probing would need to be in order, but it would give students a means to throw out red flags about problem students who are too much the loner, who withdraw from normal activities they once pursued, who consistently bully others, etc. so that these warning signs can be addressed before they blossom into full blown anti-social incidents.
There are no easy cures here, and always blaming parents for their child’s behavior isn’t necessarily the answer either. Many times it is, sometimes it isn’t. Or saying these people shouldn’t have been let into this country when in this case the father legally migrated here some years ago, had a church going family, and a middle class industrious life, and appears to have been supporting political viewpoints similar to our own here on FR. The parents unfortunately ended up with a screwed up kid who kept his problems to himself. Who amongst us would have picked up on this kid’s internal angst ourselves? I ask you.
We should address how best to protect our kids with practical solutions of how to fortify and guard our schools, as with such a large country, we can’t stop all isolated attacks by defective fellow humans. It will never happen. And we can reintroduce religion back into our school systems, and teach codes of conduct and morality to the children, as it was for so many years before the socialist progressives took over control of too many of our country’s key institutions, namely the mass media, our courts, and our educational system. They are rotting out our country from within.
Therein lies many of our problems. Evil or misguided and misled socialist elites polluting under-educated masses they seek to lead through lies, misinformation, the sins of omission, nihilist viewpoints, and other nefarious means.
I might add, the over-feminizing of our society and the and the constant demasculization of our young men who are treated as disposable objects merely to be used as fertilizer for the new globalist state with no individual say so in how our families will be raised. We have some deep seated problems here folks, very deep seated.
Finally, I must say that conservatives must get much more involved (as do so many Freepers) in fighting back against the constant and insidious progressive inroads. The problem is most conservatives are busy working, while the progressive elites finance the welfare state they have created, where so many able bodied people don’t work or filch off the government coffers, and thus are available with all their spare time to hold constant demonstrations and marches, and protests galore.
Meanwhile we sucker conservatives work and help support these activities, because we are by nature doers, not takers. Conservatives pull the wagon; liberals are in it.
We need to infiltrate the progressives’ bastions of power. We need to elect more conservative politicians, produce more conservative teachers and professors, elect and appoint more judges (Trump making great inroads here) and increase our political reach through the media by starting up conservative cable TV stations, both local and national (Sinclair station is now doing this on a national level, thank goodness) and by any other means necessary to get our viewpoints out there. We need more than just one half of a station (Fox News) with all the other alphabet stations and cable news stations being liberal 24/7.
If we cannot get our viewpoints out there, and teach our youth conservative values, we are in serious trouble as a nation. It’s up to us to fight the progressives back tooth and tong, and stop being such polite wusses. We must fight as dirty as necessary, as they sure will. We are bringing a knife to a gun fight, and this must stop.
As must I, having babbled on here for far too long, lol. Had a cumulative lot on my mind. Forgive the length.
Interesting comments.
Sometimes it is very apparent a child has a mental illness and violent tendencies. I think parents of such children should at least inform local teachers and law enforcement so they can at least keep an eye on those children’s behavior. Not make a federal case about it, but just actively monitor if the child/teen suddenly starts to act really differently. It may be something the child does at school that the child hides from the parents.
For some of these child murderers though, there isn’t any real warning or the signs are hidden. I mean, if your teenager is keeping a diary of violent thoughts in his room, it is likely to be hidden in a place where parents would never know, especially if the kid only writes the diary in secret. A parent would never know of the existence of a diary. Ditto for collecting violent articles or producing/consuming violent art. A kid may hide all of that from parents. I don’t think most parents go around looking for evidence their kid is mentally ill with violent thoughts if there is zero evidence to even suggest it. The kid may be a model child while privately harboring these thoughts or notes or art.
Yep. We are recreational ballroom dancers. We don’t compete or do exhibitions.
We were in New Orleans a couple of months ago. We got up and danced a few songs at the Krazy Korner on Bourbon Street. Triple Swing, Rumba and Cha Cha. The next day we were at the WWII museum and some people asked us, “Weren’t you dancing at the Krazy Korner yesterday?” Same thing happened to us later that day in the French Quarter.
Yes, but it’s not normal to pick up a gun and mow a bunch of people down, if a girl rejects you. That’s NOT a normal response. People who do things like that are sick in the head, demon possessed, or both.
Which means the deep state/democrat 'elites' are NOT passing the information out to their shills in the press. That is interesting.
“That’s NOT a normal response.”
No, it’s not.
The only thing that kids a victim of is a father who was thousands of miles away and not involved in his life
My kids school has a huge bullying problem. They just say kids will be kids. We can’t stop it all.. all the usual excuses. 2 suicides later it’s still a problem. My 14 year old is 6 foot 2 200 pounds.
They even try to pick on him. I told him to knock one in to next week. “Dad, the school will suspend me!” Yup and we’ll go fishing (he loves fishing) and get an ear full from me but that bully will leave you alone.
Thankfully the message was received with out blows but he was ready to lay him out.
It’s a long way to ride your bike.. give him a few days
A relative is a college prof. Students coming back this past year were different, almost brittle.
The Frosh were the worst.
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