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Posted on 05/01/2018 12:23:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
On a rugged bluff overlooking the Ohio River, known locally as "Devil's Backbone," centuries of overgrowth obscures a secret of history... In 1799, early settlers found six skeletons clad in breastplates bearing a Welsh coat of arms. Indian legends told of "yellow-haired giants" who settled in Kentucky, southern Indiana, southern Ohio and Tennessee -- a region they called "the Dark and Forbidden Land." Archeologists debunk the legend. They say that evidence indicates that the natives of the region once conducted a vigorous trading network nearby and buried their dead on the bluff... Upstream about 14 miles from Louisville, Ky., the craggy hill rises abruptly from the Indiana bank. Fourteen Mile Creek runs behind the hill, carving out a narrow strip of land between the creek and the river... The earliest survey of the area, done in 1873 by state geologist E. T. Cox and his assistant, William Borden, found a prehistoric fortification on the hilltop. A man-made limestone wall, 150 feet long and 75 feet high in some places, stood along the front and one side of the hill where the cliffs could be scaled... The wall no longer exists, the area's early settlers having taken the huge, unmortared stones to build foundations, bridges and fences that can still be seen throughout the rolling countryside. Local legend says the walls were built by followers of Prince Madoc of Wales, who led an expedition in the late 12th Century and was never seen again. Tradition says they landed in America and settled briefly in Tennessee, then moved to Kentucky and southern Indiana. "In my opinion, you couldn't find a better legend than this," said Dana Olson of Jeffersonville, an amateur historian and author of "Prince Madoc: Founder of Clark County, Indiana."
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I thought this was going to be about Larry Bird.
I, too, am completely skeptical of these stories. Here in Oklahoma, we have the locally famous “Heavener Rune Stone” situated on a similarly remote outcrop. Probably an 1800’s hoax.
Nonetheless, there are indeed Europeans making their way into China as early as the Bronze Age. Anthropologists were taken aback with the red-headed mummies in China’s Tarim Basin who fit the description of the tall blue-eyed giants of Chinese lore.
Yeah, I was appalled about the supposed expert on seafaring on one of those “who got where first” shows, he came up with the utterly ridiculous figure of 300 days for the trip to the Gulf of Mexico, and also came up with 300 days for the Polynesians (who were among the best if not the best pure sailors of any era) to get to California from Hawaii. Reminded me of the “public market” scene in Big Lebowski.
One of my favorites.
Additional Madoc legends reach as far south as Mobile Bay on the Gulf Coast, which some attribute to being initially discovered by this same Prince within the same time frame.
Thanks. Very interesting. This is the area where a very large % of my ancestors settled after they or their parents came to America.
As DNA becomes more of an ancestor tracking tool, we may see some interesting results from people whose ancestors settled in this area.
Having said that.
Family myths have a way of getting destroyed by DNA. Supposedly, many of my clan from that area were related to Princess Lie A Lot. So far zip Cherokee or any Indian DNA has shown up.
https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/51476
Ya ought to read Rick Osmon, he's done research on the Ohio Valley concerning possible Roman forts and infrastructure. Interesting stuff.
I had basically zero of that, and expected zero (ditto for Africa). OTOH, I also rely a lot on family stories. Often, the really juicy ones don't survive in one's own family line, but are remembered in the collateral lines, or by other families in the same small town if both families stick around long enough (we've been here for more than 170 years. A lot of oral information must have been lost by this time.
There are a lot of people who appear to be very disappointed that there's no DNA from Tribal Americans when they get their reports. I've seen comments on the Ancestry board about this, and seen articles about it. Some of the time that's because there have been three or more generations since the last "known" potential source, and as there is no sample of that person's DNA, there's no telling how much they themselves had. The French were getting established by the 1580s, the the English Roanoak "Lost Colony" in 1585 and Jamestown in 1607, and the Dutch first arrived in 1624 -- and often, 400 years takes a lot of generations to fill.
There have been Roman coin finds in the Americas, and contrary what some dumbasses seem to think, collectors of ancient coins don’t go out hiking with their collections, or spelunking with them, for that matter. There have been at least two finds of Roman coins (total not even a handful) somewhat near this Devil’s Backbone site.
That said, it doesn’t really take a continuity of technology to figure out how to pile up Earth, and there are obvious reasons to live on an elevated area when you live by the river — and the portraiture from the mounds (there were three separate cultures in succession, in the Ohio valley) don’t look so much Roman as Mayan.
html http://touringohio.com/history/jeffers-mound.html
http://touringohio.com/history/marietta-earthworks.html
http://touringohio.com/history/newark-earthworks
http://touringohio.com/history/seip-mound.html
http://touringohio.com/history/art/seip-earthworks—2.jpg
The best evidence for Romans in America is the Bay of Jars wreck, which went down by Rio de Janeiro about 1800 years ago. Some nitwits claim that the jars were “salted” onto the site by an Italian guy in the 1960s, but since the jars have been coming up in fishing nets since the 1850s, apparently his greatest achievement has been the invention of a time machine.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3295687/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1038045/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/1248340/posts
This beauty was found in a precolumbian Mexican tomb, and the only thing that could be done about it was denial that it was found in the tomb.
http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/calix.htm
Yeah, he reportedly got around. :^)
Yeah, there’s been a real revisionist streak of late regarding how kinder gentler they were.
They were so violent and ruthless that, when Alfred of Wessex fought back, he adopted guerrila tactics, because he’d had has ass handed to him during the early going. He hid on an old hillfort in the middle of a swamp, with a single dock-like wooden causeway for access, and did nothing for over a year but make iron weapons. Meanwhile the kingdom of Mercia ceased to exist.
Danes had poured into Britain as settlers, iow yeah, they weren’t all marauders, and the Anglo-Saxons struck back under the military principle, “hit ‘em where they ain’t”. The counterattacks took their slow toll, and the Danes agreed to a division and cessation of expansion into Anglo-Saxon areas.
51 Headless Vikings Found in English Execution Pit?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2302992/posts
Beheaded Vikings found at Olympic site
http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2469999/posts
Medieval mass grave hints at gruesome secret
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2838620/posts
Vikings May Have Been More Social Than Savage
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3075494/posts
Fierce, fashionable Vikings filed their teeth and ironed their clothes
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2745707/posts
Dorset burial pit Viking had filed teeth
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2744340/posts
bflr
That's a phony magazine.
"According to legend, the Welsh prince arrived in Mobile Bay, Alabama, in 1170, in order to escape a war of succession in his homeland following his father’s death."
That would be great. :^)
“after four years it may be time to try one of those I’d worked on in the past.”
Speaking solely for my superannuated self, I keep my browser screen size at 200%, the better to read the text. It also has the effect of enlarging graphics, so a smaller logo would be more convenient for me.
But I’m sure you’ll come up with a good one, whatever size.
Thanks for this link.
http://www.rootsandrecombinantdna.com/2015/03/native-american-dna-is-just-not-that.html
I sent it to a sibling and a niece.
The niece is like a human vacuum cleaner when it comes to finding our ancestors.
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