Posted on 12/02/2017 5:52:22 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet
Are you smarter than an Ivy League Law Professor or a brick? Well, the CDC and big pharma hopes that you are not. Ads are already appearing on the news media promoting flu shots that are 10% effective.
You will certainly pay full price (not 10%) for the ineffective vaccine. At 10% effectiveness, you could probably get the same immunity from a cup of hot tea with a shot of whiskey added for about 10% of the cost of the ineffective flu shot.
Big pharma and medicine seems not to be worried about their investment and stock prices because millions of citizens will be ordered or coerced into obtaining the ineffective vaccine by government law or corporate mandates.
You may luck out even if you are ordered or coerced into getting the flu shot ... it may be so ineffective that you may not die like several dozen did with the Swine flu vaccines years ago.
Well then, I must have unbelievable luck, because every year I take the flu shot, I don’t get the flu. Of course, the two years I remember that I wasn’t able to get the shot, I got the flu. What a coincidence.
have not seen that data, please post a link. Usually 40/75% is the norm. Did you see an Australian article?
I am 65 years old and I never get flu shots. I do however use a humidifier during the winter to keep my nasal passages healthy. And whenever I am at home I make certain that the house is warm.
By comparison, I’ve never had a flu shot in my 60 years. I’ve only gotten the flu two or three times over that period ... and not at all for the last 20 years or so.
Guess I’ve had incredible luck ..,
... or the odds of getting the flu are pretty small ;-)
“millions of citizens will be ordered or coerced into obtaining the ineffective vaccine by government law or corporate mandates..”
I am one of those mandated to get a flu shot, and I haven’t, for a variety of reasons. One reason is that I react negatively to flu shots, and can’t afford ‘down time’ from a reaction. The other is the efficacy issue. Orthomyxoviruses, including the influenza virus, mutate significantly. The vaccines are made in anticipation of what genetic drift is expected to dominate in the coming flu season. It’s essentially an educated guess, and is often wrong. 10% efficacy in pretty much any other aspect of clinical medicine (with the exception of malignancies) would never be acceptable as a validation for any therapy.
When I see Jessie Watters of Fox cable out in the world quizzing college age youth about world news and history items it tells me one thing at 72 I must be a freaking genius .
No, it's called "herd immunity." You just spend most of your time in circles of people who are vaccinated. Since they don't get sick, you don't either. However, depending upon the virus, once the "herd" vaccination rate drops below a certain percentage, members of the herd will contract the virus at an alarming rate. This happened in NYC with red measles some years ago. Until it happened, the measles hadn't been seen for decades in school children, and most of the doctors didn't even know what they were looking at until it was at alarming proportions. By not getting vaccinated, you are weakening the health potential of your "herd."
Someone just mentioned “herd immunity”. Being In LE for over 20, both myself and my fellow thin blue liners have come into contact with quit a number of mutants ,with various ailments.... like the flu. I never had a shot,nor have I ever got the flu. My family has never had it, considering the failed social engineering upstanding citizens I had a to deal with, is that what is considered “ herd immunity”?
The upcoming flu season may be a particularly severe one in the U.S., some medical experts warned today, citing preliminary data from Australia, where the flu season is waning.
The flu vaccine used this year in Australia — which has the same composition as the vaccine used in the U.S. — was only 10 percent effective, according to a preliminary estimate, at preventing the strain of the virus that predominantly circulated during the country’s flu season,an international team of medical experts wrote in a perspective published today in The New England Journal of Medicine.
“However imperfect, though, current influenza vaccines remain a valuable public health tool, and it is always better to get vaccinated than not to get vaccinated,” the team emphasized.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/years-flu-season-bad-medical-experts-warn/story?id=51473025
You can definitely come in contact with someone who has the flu, and not contract it yourself. It's not the person who makes you sick, it's the virus. You have to contract the live virus itself into your body. Since influenza can be airborne, a contagious person can sneeze in your face and you will have a good chance of getting it, but not guaranteed.
If no one in your family has ever had influenza, then you need to call the Guinness Book and tell them. You are playing Russian roulette by not becoming vaccinated. Some strains of flu are not that bad. Some strains are exceptionally deadly to a person who is elderly or of diminished health.
As you get older, you should reconsider any phobias you may have towards vaccinations. Some of the viruses that cause pneumonia are especially aggressive and can kill you within 24 hours after the onset of symptoms. However, you can be vaccinated against these strains.
Even if they could find a commonality in flu which would allow development of a vaccine with long term protection, I doubt that they would. We’re talking a couple hundred billion dollar industry that has a monopoly with recurring guaranteed income.
“Even if they could find a commonality in flu which would allow development of a vaccine with long term protection, I doubt that they would.”
It has really nothing to do commonality between influenza viruses. Influenza viruses are ‘enveloped’ RNA viruses, and have a lipid envelope ‘coating’. There are proteins embedded in this lipid envelope, and these proteins are what the antibodies/immune system react against. Unfortunately, these proteins have a high rate of mutation and rearrangement, and so every year the proteins are a little bit different. This allows the virus to escape the immune system of the host (e.g. us). It makes it extremely difficult to develop a vaccine that will work year after year.
First of all, it wouldn’t be the Flu (whichever version) if there was no commonality. Second, it’s more than likely we just haven’t found the commonality or understand how to address it. In other words, what exists in all versions of flu which makes flu unique... even single RNA segments.
Have a great night.
I'm often amazed at the assumptions people make in discussion. For example, you don't know me; you don't now the circles of people I spend time with; and you don't know what portion of those populations are vaccinated, yet you use that conjecture to make an argument. That's just poor analysis/logic.
Over my 60 years, I've worked in multiple large companies with large and diverse populations of people in generally open indoor environments. LOTS of people brought their illnesses to work. I've told countless employees to go or stay home when sick ... some do, some don't. Some have indeed had the flu. No, they were not all vaccinated. I know this because flu shots were a periodic topic of conversation ... most with whom I had that conversation did not get vaccinated.
I've been an active parent throughout my 3 children's school and activity lifetimes. I've been surrounded by children of all ages ... most of whom do not receive flu shots. Most years, a notice came home to be on the lookout for flu symptoms as outbreaks spread through the school.
I've cared for family members who suffered from the flu.
So, no, I am not a product of herd immunity, and no, my decision to get a shot of questionable effectiveness does not "weaken the herd."
As I said, I've been lucky ... and a bit conscientious about my interactions with obviously sick people ... maybe it's all luck ... doesn't matter.
My point to the previous poster was simply that the coincidence between that poster's receipt of a flu shot and the incidence of contracting the flu was indeed a coincidental anecdote and not evidence of causality.
What was your point?
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