Posted on 01/02/2016 6:57:32 PM PST by Nextrush
Embattled Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy told OPB that approximately 150 militiamen have occupied Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Building on Saturday evening.
The militiamen are in Burns, Oregon to support Dwight Hammond and his son, Steven Hammond. They're ranchers convicted of arson, who are due to report to prison on Monday.
The militiamen broke in to the federal building with supplies, including food and a generator. Cliven Bundy spoke to his son, Ammon Bundy, on the phone after they occupied the building.
"He told me that they were there for the long run. I guess they figured they're going to be there for whatever it takes--and I don't know what that means," Bundy said.......
(Excerpt) Read more at opb.org ...
Consider it is not the governments charter to falsely persecute, harass, and unjustly convict citizens. The people who should be in jail are the stalking, harassing, and extorting personnel of the FWS and the BLM. I would also include the prosecutor, the judge and any of their minions I could round up. After reading your post 35 I know who the idiot is and which side of tyranny you are on.
It is a banana republic. Our masters in the government intend to break us to their will. I bet an FOA request for e-mails would reveal great corruption.
I don’t understand it, either. That’s why I cited the 8A argument. It’s even in the legal appeals argument document as part of their defense.
Thanks for post 32. We need to be able to RICO the government.
The nation bought the land - there was no state of Oregon or any other state out here back then. I am a huge 10th amendment fan and I have repeatedly said the states and local communities (I live here) should have more say over the countless miles of Federal land out here to promote economic activity that benefits not just the people who live here, but the nation as a whole. However, the way I think does NOT give me the right to violate the law for my own benefit when it impacts land owned by the nation as a whole.
Difficult issue? Certainly. The legal and correct way to change it is for representatives in these states to lobby for change. I don’t think that will happen nor do I think the majority of Oregonians would support (as I said above) any such notion.
You seem to be under the illusion that the federal government circa 2016 is a rational enterprise... Interesting.
“Isn’t that unconstitutional?”
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Like this corrupt federal government, especially under Obama, gives a flying fig about the Constitution.
I didn’t see P-Marlowe incite rebellion. What I saw was the statement that the federal courts and government is as corrupt as the Soviet Union was. I also saw you called a loyalist. Seems like the shoe fits and P-Marlowe is correct on all counts. By the way I think the militias are far better than the BLM and other protesters. They are putting their lives on the line knowing full well the Marxist government will persecute them and their families till the end of their days. They have great courage, a real cause, and they don’t deserve to be denegrated.
I assume your mention of Oklahoma City was a reference to Timothy McVeigh.
McVeigh was not a member of a militia. He was a demented nutjob.
McVeigh tried to join the Michigan militia and attended one meeting. He stood up at the meeting, said something objectionable, and was told to leave the meeting.
The militia people did not want to have anything to do with him.
When you take the federal land away, it is smaller than Hawaii.
You seem to be under the illusion that the people in Oregon or even the defendants themselves support the shenanigans of this “militia” who have no direct stake in this proceeding nor does it appear the locals even want them there.
Did you think Timothy McVeigh was a hero? Would it be more appropriate for this group to picket the courthouse to make their voices heard or arm themselves and take over a government building on government land?
There are ways to bring about change that are far more reasonable and logical than this. This group appears to be hellbent on confrontation. How are these guys any different than the Black Lives Matter anarchists?
Why is Nevada even considered a sovereign state?
When you take the federal land away, it is smaller than Hawaii.
Good question. The representatives elected by Nevada, along with those of other Western states, should work to change it. The avenues to do so are there, but the winds of public opinion may not agree with you or me. Yes, I believe Harry Reid and his sons are crooks also, but that is a different matter altogether.
Same with Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho, and the rest of the Western states. However, once again, the nation purchased the lands out here so the entire nation has a say in the matter. We must use logic and reason to convince them that increased access and use would benefit everyone - not a bunch of Rambo wannabes taking over a Federal building on Federal land.
One way will bring about a desirable result for me and you. The other won’t do anything positive or productive - these men don’t even have standing on this issue according to one of the Bundy’s.
Yeah, like that is going to happen with our corrupt congress and presidents.
The Federal Government has no constitutional authority to own any land in Nevada that is not being used as a military base. If the people of the state of Nevada called out the their State National Guard and used it to throw the BLM out of Nevada altogether, which side would you be on?
Good job reporting.
My friend, IMHO, what the Federal government is doing to the two ranchers is wrong.
First of all, they were not trying to destroy things when they set the fires. They were practicing good land management for the benefit of their grazing rights. In ne instance as a back fire to an approaching wild fire, and in the second to remove vegetation that was invasive to their grazing as I understand it. It just happened to be on leased federal ground. People do exactly the same thing all the time on private ground of their own.
Second, these two men served their sentences, but then, I believe a federal prosecutor pushed a judge to give them more, and so now they are trying to pick them up and send them away...for doing something that anyone knows in this country should not be a rime in the first place.
Sounds an awful lot like they did to the farmers in the Klamath Basin back in 2001...except then, it was the Sucker Fish as the tool.
I cannot say that what Bundy’s sons did was best...but I can say that people in this part of the country are sick and tired and full up of an ever encroaching federal government that creates reasons to go after anyone who will not toe their line.
I took the same oath as you to protect and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.
I have learned over the past 20 years at places like Jarbidge, NV and Klamath, OR, that that does not necessarily mean that someone rising up against encroachment of their rights is the enemy, nay, more likely the ones encroaching those rights.
That same oath indicates that we would bear true faith and allegiance to the constitution...and oft times that clause right there, when faithfully followed, lets us know who is on what side of the constitutional line.
So, before folks respond by throwing these people out with the wash...they should get all the facts and then seriously consider their oaths. If they do not, they could easily be led to fight against the very people they should be helping
Our founders did not want to rebel against England. They wanted to be good “subjects.†But came a time when the encroachments on their rights were just too much...and so they rose up.
Out here in the west, as you know, my friend, the encroachments have been long standing and ever and ever more burdensome and more and more against the constitution.
I pray God’s wisdom to be with particularly the people trying to stand up against encroachments, and also with that Sheriff...that he will seek a peaceful and respectful solution that does not involve backing willy-nilly the federal agencies who are most probably seeking to back up unjust actions.
Anyhow...thought you should know my take on this.
I don’t equate McVeigh to all militia types anymore than I equate all FReepers as one and the same.
However, if you don’t think there are a bunch of McVeigh types waiting on a cause hovering around this issue and the Bundy issue you are sadly mistaken.
These men have no standing (NONE - zip - nada) in this issue nor do they have any right to arm themselves and take over a public building on public lands. Listen to them - actually read what they say or hear the interviews with them. They, like McVeigh (yes - he believed the same thing), are desperate to find the issue that will spark anarchy and war against the government.
Do you really believe even 1% of Oregonians will take up arms and run to support this group (uninvited and unwanted) against the government?
There are “fights” I might make my stand on, but I am unmoved by this situation just as I was unmoved by the Bundy situation. However, the flock of McVeigh types (yes, that is how I view them) that keep flying to these murky situations out here inviting confrontation concern me. It won’t end well - it can’t. It won’t be a blow for freedom or democracy - it will be a call for the further erosion of our rights.
Just the way I see it. Your opinion may differ and that is okay by me, but I would urge you to study the men allegedly participating in an armed occupation of a building they don’t own in a place that probably does not want them there to begin with.
Very reasonable post Jeff and I respect your opinion.
People willing to fight must find a just cause. There is much that is unjust about our nation and those who run it, but there are still legal means to address the issues and public opinion must be won first or the fight will cause more harm than good.
Thanks.
Statement of law enforcement (Related thread):
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3379140/posts?page=5
Some BLM guy has deputized a number of federal agents. Per the livestream, the BLM guy took 5 minutes to decide whether he supported the Constitution.
There is a rumor about a sheriff also being affiliated with the BLM, per the livestream.
Grateful for your take which as usual I sought for incidents such as this .....
Hope yer well.
Stay Safe !
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