Little late now
Guess a bit late for these also...? ;)
Posted on 09/23/2015 10:18:47 PM PDT by Ray76
Chris Matthews reported back on December 18th, 2007 that 2008 presidential candidate Barack Obama was born in Indonesia and has an Islamic background.
Video at link
(Excerpt) Read more at birtherreport.com ...
Make it anything you want. I don’t usually read past a couple of sentences from you. Sometimes not even that.
Nice try, but you fail as always. These are matters which at the core are legal, involving statutory, case law, and Constitutional issues. So I'm consistently bringing the discussion back to these points.
That you try to mock that as "trifles" simply demonstrates how absurdly incompetent you are on these matters and why you invariably need to create a smokescreen of ad hominem and bail out.
So first you yawn over Obama’s criminal destruction of the US, then you joke about it. Bc the damage Obama has done to the country is just SO entertaining, right Nero Germanicus?
There is something viscerally creepy about obotulism.
Little late now
Guess a bit late for these also...? ;)
Well, you need to help out on one more. What does "the original Certificate of Live" birth mean in your world? How many "original" certificates are there in a vital records file? If a certificate is changed due to later acquired information or circumstances, it could not be termed "original
The word "Indicate" does not mean "prove."
Right. And by design a fact witness should not be speaking to a legal conclusion ("prove" is a legal conclusion). The "proof" language is contained here:
(b) A verification shall be considered for all purposes certification that the vital event did occur and that the facts of the event are as stated by the applicant."
Eventually, you may grasp the distinction. But perhaps not. This is turning out to be another of your "This is one of but a few arguments I have to make, so I simply have to keep repeating it over and over" things.
That's what adoption generated birth certificates are supposed to do.
I get that for confidentiality and a host of reasons what is later issued by the state is designed to guard against release of birth parent/adoption information.
But what I've not seen is any state then terming the "adoption certificate" the "original certificate."
And once you try to move down the adoption path with Obama, you're pretty much conceding the point on Hawaiian birth. The timetable doesn't permit there to have been an original "birth parent" certificate, which was then supplanted by the new "adoption" certificate which was then issued a registrar's stamp several days after the birth date. Adoptions don't move that fast. And they don't move that fast as to an infant supposedly born in Canada.
Life is too short for towering word walls, and I have not been following this discussion for that very reason. However, let me ask you something along these lines. Namely, if granny D. registered Little Barry’s birth, as many believe, then there would be something on file for Obama stating he was born in HI. So any official who said Obama’s file—however they worded it—indicated he was born in HI, would be telling the truth.
Later, when the cut and paste latter-day BC was created, it would be the “original BC”—i.e.: the first actual BC he ever had. So anyone saying, ‘this is a copy of the original BC,’ would be speaking accurately, no?
Of course my position is that when ALL the facts and evidence point to a non-HI birth, neither a cobbled-together BC nor any amount of hot air on the part of pols and their appointees means anything. I just don’t see that the hair splitting legalistic obots have a case. When it comes to career pols and their fellow taxpayer-$ sucking parasitic officials, integrity is not the norm. Indeed, these days integrity is rarely even the exception; it’s on the endangered list and disappearing fast.
No doubt observing all your points being shredded in reply may create undue cognitive dissonance. It's understandable that facing that in small quantities at a time is often required.
I think that you may be exaggerating the significance of a few hundred people posting on an Internet blog.
Obama’s a 50-50 president. About half of the people who care at all about politics approve of his job performance and about half disapprove.
His personal favorability rating is the same. For example:
Bloomberg Politics Poll conducted by Selzer & Company. Sept. 18-21, 2015. N=1,001 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.1. LV = likely voters
“... For each, please tell me if your feelings are very favorable, mostly favorable, mostly unfavorable, or very unfavorable. If you don’t know enough to answer, just say so. Barack Obama, president of the United States.”
Very favorable: 22%
Mostly favorable: 29%
Mostly unfavorable: 17%
Very unfavorable: 30%
Unsure: 3%
http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_fav.htm
You’ve absolutely gone around the bend. Your post has nothing to do with you yawning and joking about the crimes against the US that Obama has committed.
Barry Soetoro wasn't born in Hawaii and wasn't born in Indonesia. He was born in Canada, to an unwed mother, in a hospital for unwed mothers just a few miles across the Canadian Us border from Washington State. he wasn't named Barry Soetoro at his biorth, nor Barack Hussein Obama. His mother named him after her family ... Steven Barnard Dunham.
When somebody convinces a judge and/or jury of those allegations, we’ll have something serious to talk about. Or perhaps someone could interest a member of Congress in that information. But over the last seven years, that hasn’t happened.
I’ll get excited about alleged crimes when there is a grand jury investigation. Until then, not so much.
Post the quote from Marannis says he found no facts or evidence to place SAD in HI during nag her pregnancy.
Haha! Back to trying your best to demoralize conservatives, you blatant, leftist loser troll, you. Kind of gives the game away when you’ve previously Spelled Out Exactly What You’re Doing And Why, Einstein.
See post 254, you sad , pathetic obot troll.
First, genius, explain how SAD was, according to you, in both Seattle and HI at the same time.
And this time, ANSWER, genius. In this thread I’ve asked you half a dozen questions At Least, and you haven’t answered even ONE. If you are not sufficiently intelligent to answer even such a simple question as the one above, then kindly explain how you expect to participate in intelligent exchanges.
I've encountered lots of claims on this topic, all fanciful, all unsubstantiated. Do you want to attempt to support this assertion? Or should I just dismiss it outright?
Barry Soetoro wasn't born in Hawaii and wasn't born in Indonesia. He was born in Canada, to an unwed mother, in a hospital for unwed mothers just a few miles across the Canadian Us border from Washington State. he wasn't named Barry Soetoro at his biorth, nor Barack Hussein Obama. His mother named him after her family ... Steven Barnard Dunham.
You left out Kenya.
On these eligibility issues, I've said in the past that I'm far more interested in the NBC topic as it's more purely historical and legal. But it can be entertaining delving into the "Where's WaldoObama From?" topics as Birthers employ the "toss as much stuff up against the wall and hope something sticks" technique. ("His father was Malcolm X. No, it was Frank Marshall Davis. No, it was that Subud guy. He was born in Kenya. No, he was born in Indonesia. (And now) "He was born in Canada.")
As I recently commented to another poster, I've yet to see a shred of documentary evidence or hear of witness testimony that places the birth in Canada. At least with Kenya there's the over-pasted literary bio and a few hearsay statements. ("I heard of a guy who shared a cab with a guy who said he knew Obama at some point and heard him say he was from Kenya . . . ").
Did this Canadian hospital keep records? Did they not routinely report births to local authorities who then issued birth certificates in the normal course of duties? (One issued for Ted Cruz; but not Obama?)
Or did somehow the NWO Evidence S.W.A.T. Team that Birthers imagine shows up (completely unseen by anyone to expunge or alter/add records, as the case may require) do their work in Canada, too?
So with your obamaroid knee pads on, now you want to tell us that you are un aware of the pictures available on the INternet from even 2008 of the Chinese general who had a birth cert issued by Hawaii for him, stating he was born in Hawaii, yet he was born on mainland China. You obamaroids need to have better pre-Net training before slithering into FreeRepublic ...
I'm aware of many internet photos. I'm aware of the Obama "Kenyan Birth Certificate" offered up by one Lucas Smith (which is fraudulent, as even you'd have to agree since you believe Canada is Obama's birthplace). I'm aware of the "racy photos" claimed of Stanley Ann Dunham and taken in Hawaii (which they weren't, as it's been documented that photos of that model appeared in a 1958 magazine when S.A.D. would have been 15 and before she even arrived in Hawaii).
So, as a threshold matter, why should a person put any greater stock in this chinese instance you're bringing up than in these other bogus things?
And, even accepting that one birth certificate was in error, how does that one instance show "Hawaii has a history of issuing BIRTH VERTIFICATIONS to Chinese mainland born citizens of China?" You're implying in that claim that such was a practice as to many persons over a length of time. Where's your other evidence?
i’ve never made any such claim.
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