Posted on 05/17/2014 10:49:04 AM PDT by RichardMoore
Debate between plant based diet and Paleo diet.
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It's a moot point for me, I'm missing the enzymes needed to digest plant proteins. But I wanted to see if it was possible for other people.
Choline deficiency effects the brain. Take that however you want to :)
I believe it’s “affects” the brain…..hope you are doing well. Take that how ever you want to, too. ;)
From the tiny bugs in the flour, just like the Bishnoi, silly...
Agree with everything you say, except for one small point.
Beans shouldn’t be lumped with bread, potatoes, rice, and pasta. Beans are a good source of protein and don’t spike blood sugar the way the others do, unless of course they’re baked beans with added sugar, or something like that.
My mom was diabetic. I still have an ADA book which describes the benefits of beans for diabetics. Any blood sugar increases are minimized even more by the addition of a protein to the beans (which you probably already know).
If I followed a diet like that, I’d be overweight, tired all the time and unable to do the work I do-that is way too many carbs for me, and not nearly enough protein.
Like most people brought up in the country, I come from a family that gets food from a home garden, free range chickens and grass fed livestock. Sugar and processed grain was considered unhealthy and not on the menu except for maybe holidays, and potatoes don’t grow well here-but there was plenty of fresh corn and winter squash, and brown rice from the grocery store for carbs that have not had their nutrients removed by processing.
Being overweight is rare in my family-it doesn’t happen with family members who don’t eat processed junk and don’t stop working.
I live in the country and still eat that way-no processed food, very few carbs, just grass fed meat, fresh eggs, home grown veggies and some fresh fruit, cheese and yogurt-locally produced, if I can get it. I bake whole grain bread to barter in the winter, and keep a small amount to eat-the only store-bought grain product I eat is an Atkins, special K or granola bar if I’m hiking at lunchtime.
I’m over 60, I weigh what I did at 17, 108-110, and I’m 5’9”. I have a physical job, and I go hiking in the woods here several times a week. I do not use drugs of any kind to this day, and will not do so-living into the 90’s to 100 is not uncommon in the family, so apparently some of us are better off without that stuff.
One size does not fit all-if what you are doing works for you, that is great-but we are not all the same.
Pinto beans cooked with beer, cilantro, onions and spices-and maybe a few cubes of ham or some bacon-are a favorite meal of mine when it is too cold or rainy to grill some meat, and I’ve been working in the cold all day. I don’t eat that food in warm weather, though...
That sounds delicious....very similar to the way I cook beans.
Thanks-my health conscious mom and aunts were into making weather-appropriate evening meals-salads with raw greens and other veggies and some grilled chicken, beef, etc in summer to keep cool, beans, stews, soups, or roasted meat and steamed veggies, and home made corn tortillas, cornbread, or whole grain bread in winter, to warm up.
That way of preparing meals was intended for those who do ranch/farm work dawn to dusk, but it is fine for anyone who works outdoors...
There is NO place on Earth where people could live JUST on locally grown fruits and veggies.
Meanwhile, the early Eskimos demonstrated that you CAN survive just fine on a meat/fish diet.
Humans evolved as omnivores. We need a mix of fruits, veggies, and meat in order to have a balanced, healthy diet. With my wife's experiences on her paleo diet, we seem to do better when we reduce the amount of grain we eat. Eating processed grains is something we've adopted relatively recently, and the main advantage of grains were that they could be stored for long periods (a very useful trait in regions which have cold winters).
“A very useful trait in regions which have cold winters”
A lot of people who live in remote, cold areas of the US and Canada still eat a diet that has far more meat than plant items-there is no grocery store within 100 miles, and the ground is frozen, so they hunt-and they seem to do just fine. But I doubt they would do so well on a diet of potatoes, wheat, rice, etc...
We are fortunate in our weather here, because a very late-summer planting of spinach, cauliflower, winter squash will produce well into Fall-I’ve even had brussels sprouts survive a light snow. You don’t find as many root crops planted in kitchen gardens, because we don’t have to store veggies for a long winter.
Wheat and other grains weren’t even available around here when my ancestors came from Spain and intermarried with Native Americans-they used ground corn like the Natives did, and it is still preferred by many-I prefer stone ground corn to make cornbread.
>> And where do you get your B vitamins?
Eggsactly!!!
>> ... my vision improved
I’m sure your initial experience included dropping lotsa evil carbs. Have you checked yourself for pre/diabetes?
dalereed, you may have better genetics, or never compromised your health by habitually consuming crap food. Portion management is important too. Some overeat themselves to sickness.
Meat food is very important for good health. And those that avoid it often require supplements. Peripheral neuropathy is a symptom vegans might experience as a consequence of their restricted diets.
I think you are on to something. Most vegans are progressives.
I cook my beans with a ham hock for about 4 hours. Then add all the good stuff.
I’m currently on meat, egg, raw veggies, and almonds. Black coffee and low-carb beer. I’m making it a point to keep sodium intake below 1500 and cholesterol intake around 300. Avoiding egg yolk for the time being as it significantly kicks up the cholesterol intake.
Cholesterol production (and its variants) is a fascinating subject.
Ditto. I started out with Engine 2, and took a little from Dr Furmhan. I have been whole-food, plant based several years now, and have a good enough handle on it that it is second nature to me and don't need a 'plan" anymore.
BEST thing I have ever done for myself, no exceptions.
That cliché doesn't hold up if you actually think about it for more than half a second.
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