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'Asian Neanderthals' may have occupied Australia
The Australian ^ | 18 Oct 2013 | John Ross

Posted on 10/22/2013 1:36:15 PM PDT by Theoria

Neanderthal peoples' Asian cousins occupied the islands of our nearest neighbours and possibly Australia itself, scientists believe.

Writing today in the journal Science, Adelaide University archaeologist Alan Cooper argues that the Denisovans – Neanderthal-like relatives of ancient humans – crossed Wallace’s Line, one of the world’s most formidable marine barriers, more than 100,000 years ago.

Having achieved this feat, it would be “amazing” if they had not made what was then an easy crossing to Australia. “If you cross Wallace’s Line you’ve done all the hard work,” Professor Cooper told The Australian.

The Denisovans were unknown before a finger bone and some teeth were discovered in a Siberian cave in 2008. Scientists believe they outnumbered the Neanderthals and lived throughout Asia.

Traces of their DNA exist in modern humans, leading to the assumption that the two groups interbred in Asia. But Professor Cooper said genetic evidence of interbreeding had only been found in indigenous populations of New Guinea, Australia and nearby areas.

This suggested it had occurred on the Australian side of Wallace’s Line, a powerful marine current east of Borneo and Bali which marks a natural boundary between Eurasian and Australasian species.

Given that humans and their relatives originated in Africa, Denisovans would have had to find a way of crossing Wallace’s Line. Professor Cooper said most archaeologists would not have given Denisovans credit for using watercraft in the first place.

But they, like their Neanderthal cousins, had been underrated. “Neanderthal doesn’t mean a cave man with a big club and Raquel Welch. (They were) probably much more akin to modern humans than we’ve been thinking.”

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.com.au ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: australia; denisovan; dna; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; wallaceline
Did the Denisovans Cross Wallace's Line?
1 posted on 10/22/2013 1:36:16 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: SunkenCiv
Sail, ping.

And this article is full of Neander goodies.

2 posted on 10/22/2013 1:37:08 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: Theoria
"Neanderthal doesn’t mean a cave man with a big club and Raquel Welch."

Where do I sign up for the big brow?

3 posted on 10/22/2013 1:40:23 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Theoria

What interests me is how close Australia and Asia may have been during the Last Ice Age. According to Wikipedia, the two continent may have only been 50 miles or so apart.


4 posted on 10/22/2013 1:47:16 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Theoria

Maybe Neanderthal sailors operated a ferry for them?


5 posted on 10/22/2013 1:58:51 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: OldNewYork

Perhaps. Makes since. Ferry drops them off, then the ferry union goes on strike and the Neanders can never leave.


6 posted on 10/22/2013 2:00:52 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: Theoria

Evolution the theory of “may have...”.


7 posted on 10/22/2013 2:01:08 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Theoria

since= sense


8 posted on 10/22/2013 2:01:16 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: mountainlion
'may have'...

Gotta start with something.

9 posted on 10/22/2013 2:02:13 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: Theoria

Denisovans must have been on both sides of Wallace’s Line. However, fully modern humans have only retained the DNA evidence on the east side of the line. One explanation could be that moderns and Denisovans only had contact east of Bali.


10 posted on 10/22/2013 2:47:03 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Theoria

“Given that humans and their ancestors originated in Africa”
I knew it. I just knew it. And Grandma said us Black Norwegians were descended from Gypsy Princesses. We’re from Africa, Grandma! And we probably aren’t descended from African Princesses either. We’re probably descended from the poor schmoe who had to go out and make sure there weren’t any lions around.
“You! Go outside and see if there are any lions around!”
They’re making a movie about my family - THE REALLY EXPENDABLES.


11 posted on 10/22/2013 4:13:43 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: mountainlion

Evolution: Where are the gorillas who are building huts and using bows and arrows? :-)


12 posted on 10/22/2013 4:35:25 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Theoria
Neanderthal-like relatives of ancient humans – crossed Wallace’s Line, one of the world’s most formidable marine barriers, more than 100,000 years ago.

And they were all named "Bruce."

13 posted on 10/22/2013 4:36:54 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Evolution: Where are the gorillas who are building huts and using bows and arrows? :-)

I think that 0bama might know that one.

14 posted on 10/22/2013 4:38:12 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion

LOL!!


15 posted on 10/22/2013 4:39:27 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: OldNewYork

Maybe Neanderthal sailors operated a ferry for them?

Don’t thin that aids came form the Neanderthal ferry?


16 posted on 10/22/2013 4:39:56 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Theoria

17 posted on 10/22/2013 4:46:46 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Theoria

18 posted on 10/22/2013 4:53:04 PM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: JimSEA
Could be. Toba probably wiped out alot of evidence.
19 posted on 10/23/2013 7:32:21 AM PDT by Theoria
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Thanks Theoria, no ping, something like it has been posted.
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

in local libraries
"Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

20 posted on 10/23/2013 8:48:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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