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HUMANS, NEANDERTHALS DID NOT HAVE BABIES
Discovery News ^ | Aug 16, 2012 | Anon

Posted on 08/17/2012 9:37:26 AM PDT by Pharmboy

Recent research strikes a blow to the theory that humans and Neanderthals interbred.

THE GIST Studies over the last two years suggest that Neanderthals vanished more than 30,000 years ago. This would mean that early humans and Neanderthals could not have interbred. enlarge

Over the last two years, several studies have suggested that Homo sapiens got it on with Neanderthals, an hominid who lived in parts of Europe, Central Asia and the Middle East for up to 300,000 years but vanished more than 30,000 years ago.

The evidence for this comes from fossil DNA, which shows that on average Eurasians and Asians share between one and four per cent of their DNA with Neanderthals, but Africans almost none.

But a new study by scientists at Britain's University of Cambridge says the shared DNA came from a shared ancestor, not from "hybridization" or reproduction between the two hominid species.

Common ancestor It begins with a common ancestors of Neanderthals and H. sapiens who lived around half a million years ago in parts of Africa and Europe.

Around 300,000 to 350,000 years ago, the European population and the African population of this hominid became separated.

Living in genetic isolation, the European range evolved bit by bit into Neanderthals, while the African range eventually became H. sapiens, which expanded in waves out of Africa from around 60,000 to 70,000 years ago.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.discovery.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: allcaps; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; humanevolution; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; ntsa; ssdd; unreconstructed; victoriannonsense
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To: Pharmboy; All

I suspect the blue eyes that seem to often pair with the red haired, pink skinned people from Scotland and Ireland may be a different or independent mutation from the one that these scientists found testing a different European population group. They should now test the Scots and the Irish.


121 posted on 08/18/2012 11:24:10 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
It seems that it is the same for all. From the article:

New research shows that people with blue eyes have a single, common ancestor. A team at the University of Copenhagen have tracked down a genetic mutation which took place 6-10,000 years ago and is the cause of the eye colour of all blue-eyed humans alive on the planet today.

122 posted on 08/18/2012 11:45:07 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: varmintman

Neanderthal DNA is not halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee, but thanks again for posting that ridiculous lie, along with Vendramini’s last-rate sci-fi nutjobbery.


123 posted on 08/18/2012 6:08:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: PapaBear3625
The chronology problem is that there are civilizations whose records extend past 2500BC, like Sumeria, Egypt, Indian, etc. Written records spanning the time line, of large and vigorous civilizations.

Dunno. Maybe these artifacts survived the flood or maybe the accuracy of the artifact dating needs to be verified.

124 posted on 08/18/2012 7:02:00 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Sirius Lee
Gobekli Tepe goes back 10,000 years.

Nice assertion, questionable proof. For instance...

"questionable radiocarbon dating."

As correctly written online by Omar W. Rosales in a comment at the Smithsonian Magazine online:
"... you still need independent verification of the age of the burial site. It mentions that stone implements (whether they are flint, or knives, or whatever) resemble those found in another site, where the artifacts in the other site radiocarbon date to 11000 B.C. Okay, so how does prove that Gobekli Tepe dates around 11000 B.C.? If there are wood fragments, pottery shards, or some other type of carbon-based item at Gobekli, then test these to establish the date. Although undiscovered sites with monumental architecture probably pre-date our discovered (and well-known) archaeological sites, you still need to independently verify the dates. - Omar W. Rosales J.D. http://www.elementalshaman.com
Posted by Omar W. Rosales on October 24,2008 | 03:15PM"

http://lexiline.blogspot.com/2009/08/gobekli-tepe-decipherment-dating.html

125 posted on 08/18/2012 7:22:01 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: trailhkr1
took God 4 days to create the simple Earth but only one day to create hundreds of billions of planets and stars

If how God did this doesn't fit with your idea of how things should have been done, I guess you'll have to take that up with God.

the fail of the Creationism theory

Not sure what that phrase means, but the theory that living things were created certainly does not fail or fall because of lack of evidence since evidence of intelligent (purposeful) design is EVERYWHERE. But it takes REAL faith (read "blind faith") to believe in Darwinism since there is NO generally accepted evidence that any species ever evolved or "jumped" to another species.

126 posted on 08/18/2012 7:40:06 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Pharmboy; SunkenCiv; All

In the article Dr. Eiberg says “From this we can conclude that all blue eyed individuals are linked to the same ancestor.” I do not see this as a proven fact. The same or similar mutation could have occurred more than once in different parts of the world. This data was based on a modest number of samples taken in Denmark, Turkey and Jordan. The article says nothing about the examination of blue eyed genetics in the British Isles. My late husband’s blue eyes were lighter and a different shade of blue. Less violet than the eye sown. Also, scientist are saying that Neanderthals had red hair and pink skin, and likely blue eyes. At any rate, something like 10% of the population in the fringes of the British Isles have that coloring, and apparently 40% carry the “ginger gene”.


127 posted on 08/18/2012 11:11:36 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: PapaNew
Dunno. Maybe these artifacts survived the flood or maybe the accuracy of the artifact dating needs to be verified.

I'm not talking about artifacts dated using radiocarbon methods. I'm talking about WRITTEN RECORDS of civilizations existing around the period of the Flood ( ~ 2500 BC, give or take), such as the Sumerians of the Babylonian region, and the Egyptians, which talk about dynasties, events, etc, but strangely make no mention of any world-destroying Flood happening right in the middle of their time lines.

When you have civilizations making written records, dating from hundreds of years before the Flood, to well after the Flood, civilizations comprising millions of people, one would think that there would be some indication or note about, well, EVERYBODY BEING WIPED OUT, and the civilization having to be repopulated by the descendents of Noah, who oddly just continued the writing styles of the civilizations who were there before the Flood, did so without interruption, and made no mention in their writings of any Flood.

128 posted on 08/19/2012 6:06:34 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (A deep-fried storm is coming, Mr Obama.)
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To: PapaBear3625
existing around the period of the Flood ( ~ 2500 BC, give or take), such as the Sumerians of the Babylonian region, and the Egyptians, which talk about dynasties, events, etc, but strangely make no mention of any world-destroying Flood happening right in the middle of their time lines.

When these writings actually took place is important. "Around 2500BC" actually means these writings took place before the flood, since the Bible record nails down the flood occurring at 2344 BC, so of course those writings would make no mention of the flood.

129 posted on 08/19/2012 7:18:15 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: gleeaikin

Thanks for the ping, gleeaikin. Having Scottish genes, as my family does, it is known we are considered to be and have always been thought of as Neanderthals. Glad the genes were not left behind or my family would never have survived. Another story is the family name is now based on one lone male. Should he fail to deliver another male, the family name goes the way of the Neanderthals. In that respect our family is nearly extinct. Gave me a whole new perspective. Thanks, gleeaikin.


130 posted on 08/19/2012 7:33:59 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: PapaNew
When these writings actually took place is important. "Around 2500BC" actually means these writings took place before the flood, since the Bible record nails down the flood occurring at 2344 BC, so of course those writings would make no mention of the flood.

That makes it worse. The records go from before 2500BC FORWARD to the present. No mention of the Flood, no gap to indicate all of humanity wiped out and repopulated just from Noah's offspring.

131 posted on 08/19/2012 7:45:36 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (A deep-fried storm is coming, Mr Obama.)
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To: PapaNew
Take a look at the Egyptian timeline. 2344BC is right in the middle of the reign of Pharaoh Unas. No mention of any Flood.
132 posted on 08/19/2012 7:50:36 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (A deep-fried storm is coming, Mr Obama.)
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To: PapaBear3625
The records go from before 2500BC FORWARD to the present.

You're way to general. What records? Where is the clear and convincing evidence generally accepted by the scientific community, of the actual date of these writings?

133 posted on 08/19/2012 7:52:06 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: gleeaikin
My late husband’s blue eyes were lighter and a different shade of blue. Less violet than the eye sown. Also, scientist are saying that Neanderthals had red hair and pink skin, and likely blue eyes. At any rate, something like 10% of the population in the fringes of the British Isles have that coloring, and apparently 40% carry the “ginger gene”.

That icy blue eye color? My family also originated in Scotland, light blue eyes, red hair, and all. Same as you described your late husband in another post.

134 posted on 08/19/2012 7:56:54 AM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Take a look at the Egyptian timeline. 2344BC is right in the middle of the reign of Pharaoh Unas. No mention of any Flood.

Those aren't actual "writings" but someone's supposed timeline. Anybody can come up with a timeline.

135 posted on 08/19/2012 8:02:08 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: gleeaikin

Thanks. I’ll check it out.


136 posted on 08/19/2012 8:10:34 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: SCalGal; no-to-illegals; All

Since you thought about my husband’s description, I wonder how many of the other characteristics family members may have had. For my husband as I already said they were weak chin (which he disguised with a trimmed beard, heavy brow, long heavy shouldered torso, short legs, and warrior temperment. In addition he had very heavy bones and skull, very mesomorph physique, he was dyslexic, and he died of Alzheimers at age 75.

I have a theory about Alzheimers. Many of us have heard stories about elderly Indians going out to freeze to death in bad winters so there would be more food for their families. My husband would get hungry and leave the house trying to find food. I had to call the police several times to find him. I learned to quickly get some food into him when he seemed to want to get out. So my theory is that these elderly Indians may have had Alzheimers and got hungry or went out to pee and could not find their way home again. This actually would have a positive survival advantage by leaving more food for their families. This phase of his illness occurred about 1 year before he became really physically dependent. At that time he could do useful things like sweep the sidewalk, rake the leaves, and help me with carpentry projects like sawing a beam after I began the cut. Thus, someone in a primitive situation would be able to help knap flints, skin game, scrape hides, etc. and still be useful, but if they wandered away in starving time, their useful life would be almost done.

I also theorize that this genetic trait would be more common in peripheral regions that were most recently still tribal in their structure. I have done some research which tends to support this theory. My husband was also 1/16th Cree Indian (a Canadian tribe). My older son is a big husky guy and finishing up his 20 years in Special Forces. He had to have his SIX wisdom teeth pulled. At the dental school they said 6 wisdom teeth are found among Esquimos. I suppose that some of them got interbred with the Crees, unless this is also a trait among the Scots. Genetics is so much fun. In addition, my sons both have dark brown eyes. As I said my husbands were clear light blue (very recessive) and mine are hazel. I have some Asiatic tartar in my upper class Germanic heritage, so my theory there is that I have brown eye Asian genes which are recessive to the European hazel eye genes, and they both got the Asian brown eye gene which was more dominant than the blue eye gene.


137 posted on 08/19/2012 12:46:17 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: PapaNew
Those aren't actual "writings" but someone's supposed timeline. Anybody can come up with a timeline.

There are writings. Writings on the walls of tombs. Writings on the walls of temples. Writings in the pyramids. Writings telling the story of this pharaoh and that pharaoh and their exploits. Writings about battles and victories. From these writings, historians piece together timelines. None of these writings mention any Flood.

But, you believe what you want to believe. I'm done on this thread.

138 posted on 08/19/2012 1:15:24 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (A deep-fried storm is coming, Mr Obama.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Writings on the walls of tombs. Writings on the walls of temples. Writings in the pyramids.

That's great Mr. PapaBear but you seem to be ignoring the point here: generally accepted scientific date verification of these writings.

BTW, even though evidence of the actual dates of theses writings and your conclusions regarding them may be in question, there is not much question that sometime in history there was a flood that covered the world. There is abundant physical evidence such as fossils or imprints of fish found near the tops of mountains, etc. that point to a world-wide catastrophic flood. Seems the only issue is WHEN this flood occurred.

139 posted on 08/19/2012 1:43:32 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: gleeaikin
Yep, similar physical characteristics, including the thick skull, warrior temperment (in spades) and dyslexia. My Father's now in his 80's and has dementia.

Interesting stuff.

140 posted on 08/19/2012 2:29:04 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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