Posted on 08/17/2012 9:37:26 AM PDT by Pharmboy
Recent research strikes a blow to the theory that humans and Neanderthals interbred.
THE GIST Studies over the last two years suggest that Neanderthals vanished more than 30,000 years ago. This would mean that early humans and Neanderthals could not have interbred. enlarge
Over the last two years, several studies have suggested that Homo sapiens got it on with Neanderthals, an hominid who lived in parts of Europe, Central Asia and the Middle East for up to 300,000 years but vanished more than 30,000 years ago.
The evidence for this comes from fossil DNA, which shows that on average Eurasians and Asians share between one and four per cent of their DNA with Neanderthals, but Africans almost none.
But a new study by scientists at Britain's University of Cambridge says the shared DNA came from a shared ancestor, not from "hybridization" or reproduction between the two hominid species.
Common ancestor It begins with a common ancestors of Neanderthals and H. sapiens who lived around half a million years ago in parts of Africa and Europe.
Around 300,000 to 350,000 years ago, the European population and the African population of this hominid became separated.
Living in genetic isolation, the European range evolved bit by bit into Neanderthals, while the African range eventually became H. sapiens, which expanded in waves out of Africa from around 60,000 to 70,000 years ago.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.discovery.com ...
I suspect the blue eyes that seem to often pair with the red haired, pink skinned people from Scotland and Ireland may be a different or independent mutation from the one that these scientists found testing a different European population group. They should now test the Scots and the Irish.
New research shows that people with blue eyes have a single, common ancestor. A team at the University of Copenhagen have tracked down a genetic mutation which took place 6-10,000 years ago and is the cause of the eye colour of all blue-eyed humans alive on the planet today.
Neanderthal DNA is not halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee, but thanks again for posting that ridiculous lie, along with Vendramini’s last-rate sci-fi nutjobbery.
Dunno. Maybe these artifacts survived the flood or maybe the accuracy of the artifact dating needs to be verified.
Nice assertion, questionable proof. For instance...
"questionable radiocarbon dating."
As correctly written online by Omar W. Rosales in a comment at the Smithsonian Magazine online:
"... you still need independent verification of the age of the burial site. It mentions that stone implements (whether they are flint, or knives, or whatever) resemble those found in another site, where the artifacts in the other site radiocarbon date to 11000 B.C. Okay, so how does prove that Gobekli Tepe dates around 11000 B.C.? If there are wood fragments, pottery shards, or some other type of carbon-based item at Gobekli, then test these to establish the date. Although undiscovered sites with monumental architecture probably pre-date our discovered (and well-known) archaeological sites, you still need to independently verify the dates. - Omar W. Rosales J.D. http://www.elementalshaman.com
Posted by Omar W. Rosales on October 24,2008 | 03:15PM"
http://lexiline.blogspot.com/2009/08/gobekli-tepe-decipherment-dating.html
If how God did this doesn't fit with your idea of how things should have been done, I guess you'll have to take that up with God.
the fail of the Creationism theory
Not sure what that phrase means, but the theory that living things were created certainly does not fail or fall because of lack of evidence since evidence of intelligent (purposeful) design is EVERYWHERE. But it takes REAL faith (read "blind faith") to believe in Darwinism since there is NO generally accepted evidence that any species ever evolved or "jumped" to another species.
In the article Dr. Eiberg says “From this we can conclude that all blue eyed individuals are linked to the same ancestor.” I do not see this as a proven fact. The same or similar mutation could have occurred more than once in different parts of the world. This data was based on a modest number of samples taken in Denmark, Turkey and Jordan. The article says nothing about the examination of blue eyed genetics in the British Isles. My late husband’s blue eyes were lighter and a different shade of blue. Less violet than the eye sown. Also, scientist are saying that Neanderthals had red hair and pink skin, and likely blue eyes. At any rate, something like 10% of the population in the fringes of the British Isles have that coloring, and apparently 40% carry the “ginger gene”.
I'm not talking about artifacts dated using radiocarbon methods. I'm talking about WRITTEN RECORDS of civilizations existing around the period of the Flood ( ~ 2500 BC, give or take), such as the Sumerians of the Babylonian region, and the Egyptians, which talk about dynasties, events, etc, but strangely make no mention of any world-destroying Flood happening right in the middle of their time lines.
When you have civilizations making written records, dating from hundreds of years before the Flood, to well after the Flood, civilizations comprising millions of people, one would think that there would be some indication or note about, well, EVERYBODY BEING WIPED OUT, and the civilization having to be repopulated by the descendents of Noah, who oddly just continued the writing styles of the civilizations who were there before the Flood, did so without interruption, and made no mention in their writings of any Flood.
When these writings actually took place is important. "Around 2500BC" actually means these writings took place before the flood, since the Bible record nails down the flood occurring at 2344 BC, so of course those writings would make no mention of the flood.
Thanks for the ping, gleeaikin. Having Scottish genes, as my family does, it is known we are considered to be and have always been thought of as Neanderthals. Glad the genes were not left behind or my family would never have survived. Another story is the family name is now based on one lone male. Should he fail to deliver another male, the family name goes the way of the Neanderthals. In that respect our family is nearly extinct. Gave me a whole new perspective. Thanks, gleeaikin.
That makes it worse. The records go from before 2500BC FORWARD to the present. No mention of the Flood, no gap to indicate all of humanity wiped out and repopulated just from Noah's offspring.
You're way to general. What records? Where is the clear and convincing evidence generally accepted by the scientific community, of the actual date of these writings?
That icy blue eye color? My family also originated in Scotland, light blue eyes, red hair, and all. Same as you described your late husband in another post.
Those aren't actual "writings" but someone's supposed timeline. Anybody can come up with a timeline.
Thanks. I’ll check it out.
Since you thought about my husband’s description, I wonder how many of the other characteristics family members may have had. For my husband as I already said they were weak chin (which he disguised with a trimmed beard, heavy brow, long heavy shouldered torso, short legs, and warrior temperment. In addition he had very heavy bones and skull, very mesomorph physique, he was dyslexic, and he died of Alzheimers at age 75.
I have a theory about Alzheimers. Many of us have heard stories about elderly Indians going out to freeze to death in bad winters so there would be more food for their families. My husband would get hungry and leave the house trying to find food. I had to call the police several times to find him. I learned to quickly get some food into him when he seemed to want to get out. So my theory is that these elderly Indians may have had Alzheimers and got hungry or went out to pee and could not find their way home again. This actually would have a positive survival advantage by leaving more food for their families. This phase of his illness occurred about 1 year before he became really physically dependent. At that time he could do useful things like sweep the sidewalk, rake the leaves, and help me with carpentry projects like sawing a beam after I began the cut. Thus, someone in a primitive situation would be able to help knap flints, skin game, scrape hides, etc. and still be useful, but if they wandered away in starving time, their useful life would be almost done.
I also theorize that this genetic trait would be more common in peripheral regions that were most recently still tribal in their structure. I have done some research which tends to support this theory. My husband was also 1/16th Cree Indian (a Canadian tribe). My older son is a big husky guy and finishing up his 20 years in Special Forces. He had to have his SIX wisdom teeth pulled. At the dental school they said 6 wisdom teeth are found among Esquimos. I suppose that some of them got interbred with the Crees, unless this is also a trait among the Scots. Genetics is so much fun. In addition, my sons both have dark brown eyes. As I said my husbands were clear light blue (very recessive) and mine are hazel. I have some Asiatic tartar in my upper class Germanic heritage, so my theory there is that I have brown eye Asian genes which are recessive to the European hazel eye genes, and they both got the Asian brown eye gene which was more dominant than the blue eye gene.
There are writings. Writings on the walls of tombs. Writings on the walls of temples. Writings in the pyramids. Writings telling the story of this pharaoh and that pharaoh and their exploits. Writings about battles and victories. From these writings, historians piece together timelines. None of these writings mention any Flood.
But, you believe what you want to believe. I'm done on this thread.
That's great Mr. PapaBear but you seem to be ignoring the point here: generally accepted scientific date verification of these writings.
BTW, even though evidence of the actual dates of theses writings and your conclusions regarding them may be in question, there is not much question that sometime in history there was a flood that covered the world. There is abundant physical evidence such as fossils or imprints of fish found near the tops of mountains, etc. that point to a world-wide catastrophic flood. Seems the only issue is WHEN this flood occurred.
Interesting stuff.
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