Posted on 04/20/2010 1:35:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Members from all three branches of the Federal government already know that Barack Hussein Obama is ineligible for the office of President. National leaders, to include members of the US Supreme Court, already know that Barack Hussein Obama is not a “natural born citizen” of the United States of America, and therefore, is ineligible for the office he currently holds.
What they don’t know is how long it will take for most Americans to figure it out, or what to do about it.
The diversionary search for an authentic birth certificate is ongoing and Obama has now spent in excess of $2 million in legal fees to keep that search alive.
Eric Holder’s Department of Justice continues to deploy taxpayer funded attorneys around the country to file dismissals on behalf of Obama, denying all American citizens access to the courts as a peaceful remedy, which only fuels the fire of discontent and the questions about Obama persist.
Michelle Obama states that Kenya is Barack’s “home country.” She knows, after twenty years with Barack. The Ambassador or Kenya has confirmed the same His family friends all know it, and are in fact quite proud of the fact that Americans had no hesitation in electing a “black man from Kenya” as President of the United States.
The US Supreme Court knows what the constitutional condition of “natural born citizen” means. Even the most far left member of that court, Justice Ginsberg, is on record proclaiming that a “natural born citizen” is a birth child of TWO legal US citizens.
Democrat Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi knows that Barack Hussein Obama is not eligible for the office of president, which is why she refused to certify the following language when certifying Obama as the DNC candidate for president in 2008.(continued)
(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...
Apparently, clicking on a link and reading is beyond your technical capabilities.
In 1782 Lafayette returned to America, and visited all of the states except Georgia.[62] The trip included a visit to Washington's farm at Mount Vernon on 17 August. In Virginia, Lafayette addressed the House of Delegates and prayed for "liberty of all mankind"; and urged emancipation.[63] Lafayette advocated to the Pennsylvania Legislature for a federal union, and visited the Mohawk Valley in New York for peace negotiations between the Iroquois, some of whom had met Lafayette in 1778.[64] Lafayette received an honorary degree from Harvard, a portrait of Washington from the city of Boston, and a bust from the state of Virginia. Maryland's legislature honored him by making Lafayette and his male heirs "natural born Citizens" of the state, which made him a natural born citizen of the United States after ratification of the new national Constitution.[65] Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Virginia also granted him honorary citizenship.[66][67][68]
Well, your answer was much civilized than my questions to you. I apologize for being so harsh. That said, your original post stated that citizens are either Natural Born or Naturalized. That is not the case. I'm both. And to make it even more confusing, I could renounce American citizenship and apply in Germany as a German citizen. As far as I know the US allows only one other nation to have citizenship in both countries at the same time. That would be Israel.
..the army will move in and crush any civilian opposition. THEN you can say goodbye to your precious second ammendment, and a lot more besides."
How? How will the Army "crush" civilian resistance? The largest army in the world is the People's Liberation Army (PLA) in communist China. It has about 3 million members. We have well over FOURTEEN MILLION DEER HUNTERS alone in this country!! That's not counting other kinds of hunters, target shooters, people that own a gun for self-defense, etc. And remember, most of our military are overseas!! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2312894/posts?page=242
No I can read just fine.....LOLOLOLOL....however......NBC cannot be bestowed by the actions of a legislature.....by definition it is not possible...... he became a citizen of the state by actions of a legislative act.....Makes him a naturalized citizen....
Nice try, no cigar! LOLOLOL
bump
all this saber rattling is what makes people think that we’re violent. it discredits us. if you REALLY think that the americna people can outfight the american military, remember tienenman square. think machine gun, tank, grenade.
think that most sane people will never raise their weapons on an american soldier, no matter what.
that fourteen million shrinks very fast when sanity and reason come into play. how many Randy Weavers are out there?
the rhetoric being spouted here is what gives our enemies credibility when they claim that we’re the dangerous ones. you might think you’re being clever, or stouthearted, but in reality it is the oak tree that breaks in the storm when the willow bends, and survives.
if you want to die for a cause, you might be surprised who you may find by your side, but if you want to kill for a cause, you might hear crickets chirping for all the suopport you’ll get.
“He’s a red diaper baby for sure. But his communist education took place on American soil (Hawaii, California, New York, Chicago) and was conducted by natural born Americans —”
What about the early years in Indonesia? His adoptive father was not an American...wasn’t that foreign influence in his upbringing? Isn’t that what the Founders sought to avoid?
Were those years in Indonesia influential in Baracks upbringing? Could they have led to an easier acceptance of his later “communist” education? It appears that Barack Jr. accepted his status as an Indonesian by applying for the Fulbright Scholorship as an Indonesian Citizen in his majority..... Could it be that Barack effectively renounced his citizenship by signing the application form? I believe that it requires that you must have stated the truth under penality of Purjury (I’m not sure on this point, but it seems boilerplate for many Federal Documents) Is Barack even a Citizen at all? Overall there are so many twists and turns in the Obama narrative that he should have been throughly vetted and rejected out of hand at the start, not made into “American Idol” by an adoring press!
Not sure, but does an American “communist” education teach a love and understanding for American History, Traditions, Mores, Culture, Values, Law, etc.?
“He had next to no contact with the presumed Kenyan communist sperm donor, BHO, Sr., who absconded right around the time little Barry came into this world.”
In a round about way this affirms my point....eduction by his biological father, had he stayed around, would have been from a person with loyality to another country.... The reasons I projected for the Founders, indeed the Written requirements of the Constitution, were a floor basis for the Office of the President, a minimum, if you will..... I believe that the Founders relied upon an independant Fourth Estate, to ferret out people like Obama.... The press grossly neglected their duty.....
while even in colonial times the media had biased viewpoints, at least then they had bias on both (or more) sides of the aisle, in more or less equal proportion ...... Obama’s upbringing would surely have been discussed at length in the early days of the Republic....yet, he appears to have been given a complete wash in the 21st Century...because?
“He’s a lawyer now - back in the US. Under your interpretation - he is a natural born citizen AND NOT an Israeli citizen. “
Wrong. Both I and the courts have recognized that someone can make a mature decision to reject the US and take another citizenship.
Obama COULD have, but he could not be compelled to do so - and he didn’t. That left him a natural born citizen. ANYONE can give up their citizenship anywhere.
How do you erode a nation's Sovereignty?
By not following the Constitution .. first using President's eligiblity as litmus test
By installing somone with no cultural ties to office of the Presidency to dutifully do the dirty-deeds
By gutting the nation of her wealth and transferring to global organizations
By eliminating private sector jobs as much as possible and making most new jobs for the government
By turning the nation into a model of government that is like the other countries that have already been "globalized" for UN governance
By making America's sitting President Chief of the UN Security Council (also against the Constitution)
By incrementally taking away individual liberties under the guise of security
By forming partnerships with multi-national corporations that have no loyalty to any nation (though many were born in America and only America made their success possible in the first place) to keep track of the masses and their information
By infilitrating media, government, big industry and education to endorse collectivism thus eliminating talent/competition
By creating a crisis that gets people wanting to change in the intended direction
“He had next to no contact with the presumed Kenyan communist sperm donor, BHO, Sr., who absconded right around the time little Barry came into this world.”
Sr did influence Obama Jr. so much so, that Jr. spent a lot of his time thinking about his father to the extent that he wrote a book titled “Dreams of my Father.” Is that not influence in absentia?
Hey Drew, I am going to send this to you, too.
I posted this yesterday, on what turned into a dead thread. I laugh because for the past nine and a half years, it seems that every thread I post on then fizzles to a halt asap. :) I am intrested to hear what people have to say about this case:
First off, I think this is a good thing, and I believe it would end up with the courts determining definitively what a ‘natural born citizen’ actually is. Regardless of opinions here, it is still vague. (And yes, I have read ALL of the arguments about Vattel, etc.)
Here is a question for those who think that it is cut and dry:
My son is twelve. He was born in Virginia. Through his mother (me) he is descended from men who fought in the revolution (letters from Valley Forge in our possession!), as well as both soldiers fighting for the north and south in the Civil War. Also, we have a claim that we are related to one of the original supreme court justices, as well as one of the founding families of Washington, DC. He is totally American.
I was not married to his father (and if you dare tell me off for being a tramp, etc, you can kiss my derriere—I could have avoided that and had an abortion, but I didn’t!!!) who was living in the US as a German national on a work visa. He decided he didn’t want anything to do with the situation, once he was back in Germany. My son has never met him, and has never been to Germany, other than driving through on our way to Spain.
When my son was born, I called the German consulate to see how I might get some child support. They told me that my son was not eligible to be a dual citizen, as we were not married, and the father’s name was not on the birth certificate.
So, if my son is NOT a dual citizen, is not a naturalIZED citizen, was born in the US to a mother who was in her mid-twenties, how is he not a natural born citizen? What court in 2010 would contend that the rights of citizenship would go through his father, whom he has never met/had contact with, as opposed to his mother? What court is going to assign him some type of “lesser” citizenship than a kid whose mom might not know who his dad is? NONE.
This type of case, which is probably fairly common, is what would keep the courts from deciding that there is a third type of citizen (not implicitly stated) in the Constitution.
I know a lot of people screaming about natural born citizenship determined ONLY by two US citizen parents disagree, but I think that the fuzziness of the meaning, and the lack of explanation by the founders, can give the courts a lot of leeway in deciding the way that makes the most sense for the US today.
I am not a troll, and anyone who calls me one is a joke.If there is proof that Obama was born in any other country than the US, you bet, I agree he is NOT a NBC. I loathe the man, and can’t even listen to clips of his voice on Rush, but I do not agree that (if born in the US) he is not a NBC because of his father’s citizenship.
Tienenman Square is a very bad example, as the Chinese people are not armed in any way. We are! Let’s say those 14-20 million deer hunters shrink down to only 10%. That’s 1.4 to 2 million armed citizens. No army in the world would be able to pacify that many “insurgents” in any realistic time frame, and that’s just the DEER HUNTERS!! I ask again, did you ever serve in uniform?
At the time that he claimed Israeli citizenship - he was already wanted as an American citizen under a fugitive warrant. He had never previously claimed or applied for Israeli citizenship, never been to Israel, never claimed to be anything but an American - until he brutally murdered another United States citizen ...
Your son is as much a natural born citizen as my son is and as much a natural born citizen as the current President of the United States, duly sworn in to office by the Chief Justice of the highest court in the land. A man who's foreign father was a matter of public record throughout a multi-million dollar campaign that lasted more than a year and a half and whose eligibility was challenged by no one, not his primary opponents, not his general election opponents, nor any member of congress.
What court in 2010 would contend that the rights of citizenship would go through his father, whom he has never met/had contact with, as opposed to his mother? What court is going to assign him some type of “lesser” citizenship than a kid whose mom might not know who his dad is? NONE.
No court whatsoever in 2010 will issue an opinion that would render millions of Americans born here in this country the status of second class citizen, essentially codifying into law Dred Scott II. In fact, the only court that has even issued an opinion on this issue in the 70+ eligibility cases that have been filed actually affirmed Obama's Constitutional eligibility (Ankeny v. Daniels).
Birthers will tell me I'm wrong until they're blue in the face but unless a high court somewhere, anywhere, rules that Obama is ineligible by reason of his father's lack of American citizenship, precedent has been established.
Amen.
Fair enough.
“So, if my son is NOT a dual citizen, is not a naturalized citizen, was born in the US to a mother who was in her mid-twenties, how is he not a natural born citizen?”
My non-lawyer take:
The Supreme Court has never ruled on a case like yours or Obama’s. I don't believe anyone can claim with certainty to know how they would rule.
Your circumstances are very similar to Obama’s mom but with some key differences.
There is an HI vital record index for both the marriage of BHO Sr to Stanley Ann as well as for the birth of BHO II and an alleged COLB showing BHO Sr as the father of BHO II.
The German government declined to claim your son as a German national because, as you said, you had no legal proof via birth certificate or marriage license showing your son was the child of that marriage, so no dual citizenship is possible. On that basis I believe it is likely that the Supreme Court would rule your son to be an NBC given that US law and international law assign the nationality of an unmarried mother to her children.
In Obama’s case his campaign claimed that the 1948 BNA applied to the children of BHO Sr. implying that the UK would claim BHO II as a subject making him a dual citizen if born in HI.
What the campaign failed to mention is that the 1948 BNA says that only the legitimate children of UK subjects can receive UK citizenship from their fathers. There is reason to believe that Obama Sr was a bigamist under both UK Kenyan law and US law due to his marriage to Kezia and his marriage.
If BHO Sr was a bigamist and Obama II was born in HI, he would not have dual citizenship. As with you, under international law and US law the child of an unmarried mother takes the nationality/citizenship of the mother. The UK would decline to claim him as a subject under the same 1948 BNA so there would be no dual citizenship that the founding fathers were concerned about.
Yes, many countries allow multi-generational bloodline descendants of their citizens to apply for citizenship, but to start with, NBC status is a status at birth and no mention is made in Vattel for any requirement other than being the child of citizens (father and by extension mother) born on US soil.
To my knowledge SCOTUS has not ruled on this, but at the time the US Constitution was ratified having two US citizen parents one or both of whom were themselves dual citizens or still claimed as citizens by another sovereign (mostly the UK) was widespread. This includes lots of citizens born after the grandfathered date of ratification. But NBC is not defined directly in the Constitution.
It seems clear to me (assuming common usage of NBC came from Vattel) that the founders concern incorporated in the Constitution extended to only whether the legal father was a citizen (and by legal extension the mother).
Knowledge that some fathers were dual citizens was known at the time of ratification, but was not specified as an exclusion for a child to be considered to be an NBC in the writings of the founders including John Jay in his letter to George Washington. Only birth on US soil and the US citizenship of the father and by extension the mother mattered. Any dual citizenship of the father was not discussed but, again, was widely known to be claimed by the UK.
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