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Primate fossil 'not an ancestor'
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Posted on 10/22/2009 6:04:42 AM PDT by IronKros

The exceptionally well-preserved fossil primate known as "Ida" is not a missing link as some have claimed, according to an analysis in the journal Nature.

The research is the first independent assessment of the claims made in a scientific paper and a television documentary earlier this year.

Dr Erik Seiffert says that Ida belonged to a group more closely linked to lemurs than to monkeys, apes or us.

His team's conclusions come from an analysis of another fossil primate.

The newly described animal - known as Afradapis longicristatus - lived some 37 million years ago in northern Egypt, during the Eocene epoch. And the researchers say it was closely related to Ida.

This study would effectively remove Ida from our ancestry. Erik Seiffert, Stony Brook University

Ida lived some 47 million years ago and was given the scientific name Darwinius masillae.

Dr Seiffert and his colleagues say that both Afradapis and Darwinius were in a sister group to the so-called "higher primates", which includes humans.

This extinct sister group, they say, was more closely related to lemurs and lorises.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: afradapis; ardi; ardipithecusramidus; chimpanzee; chimps; darwiniusmasillae; fossils; godsgravesglyphs; history; ida; longicristatus; paleontology; science

1 posted on 10/22/2009 6:04:42 AM PDT by IronKros
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To: IronKros

Another evolutionary dead end.


2 posted on 10/22/2009 6:14:00 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

*Waiting breathlessly for the headlines in major mainstream media to announce this like they did the opposite conclusion.*


3 posted on 10/22/2009 6:27:33 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

To bad, it would have been neat to be neighbors with “The Cat” from Red Dwarf.


4 posted on 10/22/2009 6:37:50 AM PDT by IronKros (The pig put foot. Grunt. Foot in what? ketchup)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Ping!


5 posted on 10/22/2009 6:56:09 AM PDT by Boogieman
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A publicity blitz called it "the link" that would reveal the earliest evolutionary roots of monkeys, apes and humans. Experts protested that Ida wasn't even a close relative.

6 posted on 10/25/2009 4:25:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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also of interest:
So Ida's not the "missing link": questions and answers with Erik Seiffert
10/21/2009
Remember the "fossil that will change everything"? When Darwinius masillae, nicknamed Ida, was revealed to the world back in May, an avalanche of PR hype claimed it as a "missing link" in human evolution. This lemur-like creature, the promotional campaign had it, was an ancestor of us all.

7 posted on 10/25/2009 4:27:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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8 posted on 10/25/2009 4:28:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: IronKros

Come on!

Time to get serious ;)

OBAMA IS THE MISSING LINK!


9 posted on 10/25/2009 4:40:13 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: IronKros

Oh darn, another origin of man scientific theory debunked.


10 posted on 10/26/2009 7:27:00 AM PDT by Dustbunny ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. " Ronald Reagan)
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To: Dustbunny

I wouldn’t so much say that an origin of man theory was debunked as say the scientific community correctly spoke out against an incorrect categorization.


11 posted on 10/26/2009 8:15:10 AM PDT by IronKros (The pig put foot. Grunt. Foot in what? ketchup)
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