Posted on 07/22/2009 7:22:24 PM PDT by Grig
Why don't he Joint Chiefs go to Obama and say "Sir, you must either present a valid full form birth certificate, step down, or we will remove you from office by force."
Isn't it their duty to do something like that? Isn't their accepting orders from Obama potentially carrying out illegal orders?
Very well stated but flawed. What happens when the Constitution is not being followed or enforced. Do not tell me that I have to follow laws when our leaders refuse to.
this is the oath I took -
Oath for Commissioned Officer
“I HAVING BEEN APPOINTED AN OFFICER IN THE ARMY OF THE UNITED STATES, AS INDICATED IN THE ABOVE DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR (OR AFFIRM) THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC; THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME; THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION; AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE UPON WHICH I AM ABOUT TO ENTER. SO HELP ME GOD”
Really? And if someone had predicted the past seven months to you five years ago, what would you have said?
Besides, who would the military call on to remove the President? Do you want to know how many formed units are in the D.C. area under Federal control and can move instantly?
Not many.
We can't and shouldn't remove Obama from office by force majeure. We have to do it constitutionally. Either he resigns, is impeached, or is found ineligible to be President by a competent tribunal. No other way is acceptable and the Republic would dissolve into civil war.
The tree of liberty...
Is this the same Congress that passes into law bills it hasn’t even _read_?
Is this the same SCOTUS which denies any citizen standing to verify that Obama DOES qualify to be president, or that refuses to hear the legitimate complaint of bondholders (which are backed by legal contracts) against the actions of the executive branch, or that declares that immanent domain may be used to take private property and turn it over to another private entity BECAUSE IT IS *THOUGHT* THAT IT WILL GENERATE MORE TAX REVENUE!?
The fighting men (military & civilian), supported by God Himself, may be America’s only hope.
How many other president's have they asked for a birth certificate?
And I note that it doesn’t mention the USSC, the Congress, or the President... it does, however, mention the Constitution.
No one has demonstrated that a violation of the constitution exists.
Don't you mean "Neverland"? Speaking of which, we can probably thank our lucky stars, or whomever, that MJ didn't run for President. Oh, wait- maybe we would have been better off, the way things turned out.....
Is is not our obligation to prove he is unqualified. He is with holding that eveidence. Therefore, he has the burden of proof.
I hope the issue is fully explored in court and he is made to put up or get out. If that were to happen, it needs to be done way above board and totally in plain sight so as not to give any ammunition to his followers.
Unless and until proven otherwise, he IS their Commander in Chief. Having our military remove him from office based on our supposition that he doesn’t meet the ‘natural born’ requirement of the Constitution would be a colossal disaster, if not treason. The Joint Chiefs would never abuse their power in that way. This is not a banana republic.
At this point, it should be the duty of the courts to demand production of a certified long form birth certificate, if only in camera, with representatives of both sides of the litigation that’s pending able to view and verify its authenticity.
If you consider what happened in Honduras, the military acted only after the highest court in their land ordered the president’s removal. They were acting lawfully. What you are suggesting is not lawful at the moment.
His actions regarding GM/Chrysler were illegal and contra-Constitutional; bonds are backed by a legal contract, which he essentially declared null & void in defiance of bankruptcy law (the establishment of which is to be done by Congress, and the execution of which is to be done by the judiciary).
I agree with you if these were normal times. These are not and we may have a usurper that has been placed in power by a group of conspirators who have planned this for years.
Who Enforces the Constitution's Natural Born Citizen Clause?
You said — The tree of liberty...
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Ummm..., what is talked about here is nothing more than Obama Derangement Syndrome... plain and simple...
You said — No one has demonstrated that a violation of the constitution exists.
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Yeah... a “little point” (or a major point... LOL...) that many seem to want to pretend doesn’t exists. Those of this persuasion seem to think that merely “thinking it” in their own heads is sufficient...
I gotta wonder if we’re talking about conservatives or liberals here... :-)
We tend to forget that we are all equal citizens. While we do have a chain of command and a certain hierarchy of powers, no one is *technically* any better than anyone else or has any more rights or privileges. Their office may be that of president, senator, representative or judge, but they, as individuals, are all equal in the eyes of the law...supposedly, in theory...
You used the wrong word there- hint, it's the one you misspelled.
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