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Show it, step down, or be removed by force

Posted on 07/22/2009 7:22:24 PM PDT by Grig

Why don't he Joint Chiefs go to Obama and say "Sir, you must either present a valid full form birth certificate, step down, or we will remove you from office by force."

Isn't it their duty to do something like that? Isn't their accepting orders from Obama potentially carrying out illegal orders?


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To: Houghton M.

Very well stated but flawed. What happens when the Constitution is not being followed or enforced. Do not tell me that I have to follow laws when our leaders refuse to.


61 posted on 07/22/2009 7:50:24 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (We the people, ..... never)
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To: OneWingedShark

this is the oath I took -

Oath for Commissioned Officer

“I HAVING BEEN APPOINTED AN OFFICER IN THE ARMY OF THE UNITED STATES, AS INDICATED IN THE ABOVE DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR (OR AFFIRM) THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC; THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME; THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION; AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE UPON WHICH I AM ABOUT TO ENTER. SO HELP ME GOD”


62 posted on 07/22/2009 7:50:59 PM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com)
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To: mort56
Seven Days in May? Ain’t gonna happen.

Really? And if someone had predicted the past seven months to you five years ago, what would you have said?

63 posted on 07/22/2009 7:51:16 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: buccaneer81
To take part in a political move would violate military professional ethics. As I noted in a previous post, there is always a constitutional President. In this case, it would be the current Vice-President, Biden.

Besides, who would the military call on to remove the President? Do you want to know how many formed units are in the D.C. area under Federal control and can move instantly?
Not many.

We can't and shouldn't remove Obama from office by force majeure. We have to do it constitutionally. Either he resigns, is impeached, or is found ineligible to be President by a competent tribunal. No other way is acceptable and the Republic would dissolve into civil war.

64 posted on 07/22/2009 7:52:01 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: GAB-1955
No other way is acceptable and the Republic would dissolve into civil war.

The tree of liberty...

65 posted on 07/22/2009 7:54:03 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Houghton M.

Is this the same Congress that passes into law bills it hasn’t even _read_?

Is this the same SCOTUS which denies any citizen standing to verify that Obama DOES qualify to be president, or that refuses to hear the legitimate complaint of bondholders (which are backed by legal contracts) against the actions of the executive branch, or that declares that immanent domain may be used to take private property and turn it over to another private entity BECAUSE IT IS *THOUGHT* THAT IT WILL GENERATE MORE TAX REVENUE!?

The fighting men (military & civilian), supported by God Himself, may be America’s only hope.


66 posted on 07/22/2009 7:55:30 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Two Kids' Dad
"“By what authority do you expect us to follow your orders? We demand irrefutable proof of the legitimacy of your presidency or else we’re required by our duty to the constitution to refuse your orders.”"

How many other president's have they asked for a birth certificate?

67 posted on 07/22/2009 7:56:34 PM PDT by mlo
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To: BCW

And I note that it doesn’t mention the USSC, the Congress, or the President... it does, however, mention the Constitution.


68 posted on 07/22/2009 7:57:43 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: nufsed
"No one has enforced the constitution yet. If the courts don’t, it will rest on the military or the people."

No one has demonstrated that a violation of the constitution exists.

69 posted on 07/22/2009 7:57:52 PM PDT by mlo
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To: mad_as_he$$
"Well the rest of DC is living in some fantasy land -why not novel land?"

Don't you mean "Neverland"? Speaking of which, we can probably thank our lucky stars, or whomever, that MJ didn't run for President. Oh, wait- maybe we would have been better off, the way things turned out.....

70 posted on 07/22/2009 7:58:43 PM PDT by matthew fuller (FUBHO)
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To: mlo
The question the thread poses is to have the constitution enforced. Since no one has required the president to qualify, then someone has to take the oath to uphold the constitution seriously.

Is is not our obligation to prove he is unqualified. He is with holding that eveidence. Therefore, he has the burden of proof.

71 posted on 07/22/2009 8:01:06 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport and school records.)
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To: Grig
I think about this a lot, actually. I think the military would be right to refuse his orders if they felt they had just cause until he, for several different reasons, is compelled to prove his status.

I hope the issue is fully explored in court and he is made to put up or get out. If that were to happen, it needs to be done way above board and totally in plain sight so as not to give any ammunition to his followers.

72 posted on 07/22/2009 8:04:00 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Grig

Unless and until proven otherwise, he IS their Commander in Chief. Having our military remove him from office based on our supposition that he doesn’t meet the ‘natural born’ requirement of the Constitution would be a colossal disaster, if not treason. The Joint Chiefs would never abuse their power in that way. This is not a banana republic.

At this point, it should be the duty of the courts to demand production of a certified long form birth certificate, if only in camera, with representatives of both sides of the litigation that’s pending able to view and verify its authenticity.

If you consider what happened in Honduras, the military acted only after the highest court in their land ordered the president’s removal. They were acting lawfully. What you are suggesting is not lawful at the moment.


73 posted on 07/22/2009 8:04:22 PM PDT by EDINVA (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul -- G. B. Shaw)
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To: mlo

His actions regarding GM/Chrysler were illegal and contra-Constitutional; bonds are backed by a legal contract, which he essentially declared null & void in defiance of bankruptcy law (the establishment of which is to be done by Congress, and the execution of which is to be done by the judiciary).


74 posted on 07/22/2009 8:05:30 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: matthew fuller
"As I suggested, that is the duty of the Congress, possibly with SCOTUS involvement."

I agree with you if these were normal times. These are not and we may have a usurper that has been placed in power by a group of conspirators who have planned this for years.

75 posted on 07/22/2009 8:07:43 PM PDT by Errant
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To: OneWingedShark
The JCS are advisors to the president. Their job is to obey the constitution, not enforce it.

Who Enforces the Constitution's Natural Born Citizen Clause?

76 posted on 07/22/2009 8:08:52 PM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: buccaneer81; GAB-1955

You said — The tree of liberty...

Ummm..., what is talked about here is nothing more than Obama Derangement Syndrome... plain and simple...


77 posted on 07/22/2009 8:10:31 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: mlo; nufsed

You said — No one has demonstrated that a violation of the constitution exists.

Yeah... a “little point” (or a major point... LOL...) that many seem to want to pretend doesn’t exists. Those of this persuasion seem to think that merely “thinking it” in their own heads is sufficient...

I gotta wonder if we’re talking about conservatives or liberals here... :-)


78 posted on 07/22/2009 8:12:38 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Errant
I tend to agree. Many of us took that oath and have a duty and a responsibility as a result.

We tend to forget that we are all equal citizens. While we do have a chain of command and a certain hierarchy of powers, no one is *technically* any better than anyone else or has any more rights or privileges. Their office may be that of president, senator, representative or judge, but they, as individuals, are all equal in the eyes of the law...supposedly, in theory...

79 posted on 07/22/2009 8:13:04 PM PDT by GBA
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To: OneWingedShark
"or that declares that immanent domain may be used to take private property "

You used the wrong word there- hint, it's the one you misspelled.

80 posted on 07/22/2009 8:13:36 PM PDT by matthew fuller (FUBHO)
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