Posted on 07/21/2009 3:42:26 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
In a quest that is seen as wacky, way out there and as bitter partisan politics by some,the issue of Obama not showing his birth certificate to prove he is a naturalized American citizen continues. Is this really just some conspiracy theory along the lines of 9/11 truthers and alien cover ups? At first glance it seems like it. But surprisingly many American’s seem to actually believe there is some possibility of truth in this claim that Obama is not a citizen. WND continues to run stories on it but most recently a congressman’s town hall meeting became overwhelmed with the issue.
Many people will immediately jump up and say “Obama produced a birth certificate, what more do you want?” Apparently Obama provided a certificate of live birth (COLB) which is not the same as a long form birth certificate. The long form birth certificate should provide evidence that can be corroborated. The COLB provided on factcheck.org does not show a hospital, doctor’s name or anything else that can be checked, just a time and city. This COLB can also be obtained by non citizens.
Obama could easily release his long form birth certificate but hasn’t. Just to stop people from talking about it and to show that he has the most transparent administration, you think he would.
Many liberals, moderates and even some conservatives will probably read this and just say “get over it already.” There is a time to let things go and personally I already have. Not because I don’t think it’s important but because I think Obama will never release this information and even if it is true that he is not a natural citizen, that nothing will change. But should people just get over this? If it is true, it is the biggest scam in history. People never got over Bush’s decision to go to war with Iraq, should everyone just forget about this issue?
The argument could easily be made that if Obama does not qualify to be president than all of the bills he signed and executive orders he issued would have to be undone. This is very important but would cause huge upheaval. I don’t know if the American people would be able to handle this kind of event and the ramifications of the loss in trust of the government. It doesn’t mean the truth shouldn’t be fully investigated though but I sincerely doubt it ever will be
“His game WILL catch up to him. It is a felony to forge a government document- the COLB.
You wrote-
“For malignant narcissists it is absolutely crucial to demonstrate their mental superiority. One of the main ways they do it is by pulling one over on other people. If Obama is not a naturalized citizen, I guarantee he’s not shaking in his shoes, worrying about being exposed. He’s laughing his butt off at all the dumb Americans he tricked into electing him.””
I think it will catch up to him too. I’m one who’s glad it’s taking a while, though. I know Obama is doing damage, and I don’t minimize that. Otoh, if the birth certificate issue had reached critical mass too soon, people would have shrugged it off, imho—even if it turned out he was born in Kenya. If it hits the fan after his approval has gone low enough and people are sufficiently fed up about the economy and his nationalized healthcare boondoggle, it could have much greater and lasting results.
Perhaps she was holding out some childish hope that he would change his mind about going back to Africa to marry a black woman, and she would then go back to him in Hawaii and all would live happily ever after. That would account for her friend's comments.
You're just fantasizing here, and your fantasies bear little relation to the known facts.
Where do you pull this "fact" that her parents disapproved of her marriage? Her parents were far left-wingers, there is no evidence they disapproved of mixed-race relationships. We DO have evidence that Obama Sr.'s father disapproved of mixed-race relationships, but not the Dunhams. And if she and her parents had ruptured their relationship over her mixed marriage, where did she get the money to live in Seattle? Your theories are nonsense.
Her friend's comment does not support the idea that Obama Sr. would change his mind about going back to Africa to marry a black woman - exactly the OPPOSITE - it supports the idea that Ann had no problem with Obama Sr. marrying a black wife, which actually is consistent with a radical leftist open sex mindset.
You seem to know very little about the facts and then offer absurd speculations based on nothing but your own imagination.
I did. It played fine for me.
I listened to the file and followed it in the transcript.
He made no such claims to the bar. He merely claimed he never practiced law under any other name, which by all accounts is true.
No, actually if one were to say that a President is in office illegally (i.e., not qualified per the Constitution) and he finished out his term (even if he was doing it knowingly) — that wouldn’t change the Constitution.
Just think of it this way... if a murderer gets away with murder, either on a technicality, or the case couldn’t be proven, or there was even “jury nullification” — the law on murder doesn’t *change* because of that. It remains the same.
What you’re saying is the equivalent to — if one person gets away with murder, then you cannot convict anyone else on murder, because that murder law is now changed and voided (because that one person got away with murder).
However, in Obama’s case, it’s still not clear if he’s qualified or not, by way of a birth certificate. He is qualified, by way of his signed legal statements (the same as other Presidential candidates).
So, nothing is really different about Obama at this stage, compared to other Presidents — except that a lot of people want to see his birth certificate.
The reason for that would be most interesting to know. Can't wait for CNN to air it.
Oh, one more thing on that... if the Constitution were to be “changed by default” then the 21st President of the United States, Chester A. Arthur, has already done it, because he wasn’t qualified per the Constitution, according to Leo Donofrio (on his website, he explains it).
And in Chester A. Arthur’s case, he did know he was not qualified and he actually destroyed all the documents that he could, in order to cover it up. But some things survived and we found out later.
So, the question is — Has the Constitution *already been changed* by default, because of Chester A. Arthur?
No, the question on the bar app is whether he used any other names and is not asking regarding practicing law anywhere else. The question is aksed because background checks are done for the other names to insure the applicant does not have a criminal history under another name. If I am mistaken, please show the questionaire he signed (which is available online now).
Are you claiming he never went by any other name other than Barack Obama.
Btw, check out the character and fitness questionaire at the IARDC website as it pertains to the question of former names.
Not that he or Michelle could cut it as lawyers for long. Yet, in other areas he sure does flip flop between Obama and Soetoro depending on which will benefit him the most. There rest of us would find ourselves behind bars for such behavior.
No, that is not the question. The issue was never formally dealt with in a court and it has yet to be conclusively proven that Arthur was indeed usurping the Constitutional requirements. You seem to want to cover for that lying bastard in the Ovala Office until his term has expired. The question is in regards to the sitting entity in the position of Pres__ent.
Here’s an idea: let’s demand of everyone BUT Obama that he or she provides a legitimate birth certificate, a longform birth certificate, and then take it from there. My guess is virtually ALL of them could. Let’s then request that Obama simply follow suit , and produce his , like all 535 members of Congress, and all the Secretaries and Commissioners and Czars he’s appointed.
BUT CONSIDER THIS: The Birther issue is NOT going to be exposed, and disseminated widely to those parts of the public who still don’t know about it, unless a dozen other issues, more typically “political” reach critical mass, and protests center around THEM. God knows, there are dozens of them. An Administration that tries to do so much, so quickly, before anyone knows what hit ‘em, is going to provide endless, round-the-clock opportunities for protest and civil unrest. Obama’s Presidency and his policies are NOT going to be undone be exposing the stand-alone issue of his constitutional illegitimacy to be President, but ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE, it could provide the tipping point that would make his whole house of cards come tumbling down.
BUT -—the thought has occurred to me more than once, that
this could be their ace in the hole: if there IS proof , acceptable to everyone, that Obama was born in Hawaii, or wherever he claims to be born, and it’s finally revealed, it might be enough to take a considerable amount of steam out of all the ideological/policy/program reasons to oppose him. One question that must be asked, and asked again, is WHY HAVE THEY SPENT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO FIGHT ALL LEGITIMATE CHALLENGES BY LEGITIMATE ATTORNEYS AS TO OBAMA’S ACTUAL BIRTHPLACE?????
This is a question that never seems to be brought up in
the ‘polite society’ of the MSM, on those rare occasions when the whole issue is invoked.
.....So, the question is — Has the Constitution *already been changed* by default, because of Chester A. Arthur?....
Of course not it was not adjudicated and no amendment made, it is not a living document, it means what it says.
Right out of the DU low IQ playbook. You are a troll.
As I've said all along, if he was born in Hawaii then he's a natural born citizen. I've said that in the face all the wacked-out Birther claims to the contrary. I never said I had proof he was. You've never been able to provide proof he wasn't.
Yes and no. Military personnel are sworn to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic. They also swear to follow legal orders. There's where the problem comes in. If an officer legitimately believes the person giving him the order is not legally entitled to give him that order he should not follow it. And when it comes to defending the Constitution, well, the document does clearly state that the President is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces but it also states that only a natural born citizen can attain the office of President. You see the problem, yes?
There are, apparently, officers who question his legitimacy. If they truly believe there is an issue with his legitimacy it puts them in a difficult situation and one in which they must do as their conscious guides them. At least one so far has publicly refused a deployment order. If this continues you could have a snowball effect. Regardless of what Obama sees as what he ought to have to do, he should not let it go that far. This is not what we would have the enemy see.
Personally, I think the simplest explanation is that he was born in the US. But then, I've never seen one of these COLBs before in my life and I do know that when I hear the words 'birth certificate' my mind conjurs up an image of an offically stamped document with a lot of information on it- not that sparse thing I have seen that has been posted as the President's birth certificate.
I mean if he showed us that, I'm assuming he (or whoever showed that document to the public in the first place) cared enough to try to demonstrate his facts of birth. Well, that COLB has obviously raised more questions. He ought to just show everybody the actual document and be done with it. If it wasn't any skin off his nose to show the COLB it ought not to be any trouble to show the full form birth certificate. I think that is a reasonable request.
You raise an interesting point. I wonder if a donor to his campaign would have standing to sue over issues of defrauding contributors by knowingly presenting himself as eligible when he knew he was not eligible?
conscious = conscience (obviously)
I went back to check and was able to right-click and use ‘Save target as’ to grab a local copy.
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