Federal Judge to hear Obama Birth Certificate on the Merits!

Emails ^ | JULY 13TH, 2009 | Alan Peters

[FARS]

Obama eligibility case will be heard on the merits !! Please distribute everywhere.

At the hearing today at the Federal Court building in Santa Ana, Judge Carter reportedly said the following: 1. There will be a trial. 2. It will be heard on the merits. 3. Nothing will be dismissed on proceedural issues. 4. The trial will be expeditious, and the judge pledged to give case priority. 5. Being a former Marine he realizes the importance of having a Constitutionally qualified POTUS/CINC. 6. Judge stated that if Obama isn't Constitutionally qualifed he needs to leave the White House.

[mojitojoe]

That may have been true up until the Military got involved. But in the present setting, you can’t run the Military effectively at this point because you have no authority to issue orders. You have no Commander in Chief.

That’s a relatively urgent proposition. Suppose someone invaded? Suppose one of your offshore Military adventures goes South—maybe because the Russians or some other adversary realizes that the Military is handicapped; how do you act?

I continue to wonder what the Joint Chiefs are thinking about—they can’t really tolerate the current condition.
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I agree. Lat night I went over to military.com and some of the other military forums. First of all, trolls post there and those are usually deleted, but the long time posters are split. The majority seem to think he needs to provide proof and have serious questions. Some hint, but seen afraid to come right out and say it, then you have the ones that will defend him no matter what. Many of them said that they consider this a Constitutional crisis already and they very fact that they are concerned should be reason enough for his to release all of his records that he has hidden. End of story. Why won’t he do that? I can see only one reason, he’s hiding things.

[Rushmore Rocks]

“following David”

Careful now, he may suspect you are stalking him.......and I am glad you are. David’s posts are always logical, cogent and insightful.

Thanks to you both.

[mojitojoe]

I just want him to sign waivers for these people to have the records made available. I do not want them coming from Obama himself because they could be altered.

If our senators would stop all business it may look bad in the MSM, but it would restore their base support and gain quite a few new supporters. Not to mention the money would roll in and their power even in a minority would be somewhat restored.
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YES!

[LucyT]

um... he pinged me first...

[Vendome]

saw that. Guess he just lives like that.

[mojitojoe]

Ok, I apologize. I thought I was the one getting screamed at and I have never been anything but supportive on this issue since the day I found FR. I’m sorry, my mistake.

[MHGinTN]

Not to worry, I’ll watch your back anytime. The liberal scum invading FR appear to have us surrounded! ... Makes the return fire easier to have them all circled up.

[real_patriotic_american]

Does this answer your question,
Per David’s post #732-
Excerpt: “...... there isn’t any record anywhere of her legal marriage in Hawaii; under circumstances where there is a conclusive legal reason to have been in Kenya (where marriage would not have constituted the crime of bigamy).....”

[Vendome]

Boy, you are really putting yourself out today, trying to win friends and influence people.

the only thing specious, today, is that peculiar object atop your shoulders.

Keep going and you could become rather nefarious.

[cynwoody]

At some point, Barack himself is quoted as saying she was in Nariobi 72 hours before he was born.

Hmm. That needs a link or three. It's either dynamite or sheer BS.

You have the second hand hearsay about her being pregnant and rejected for boarding by BOAC

Hearsay or sheer speculation?

The one real gap in BP2's timeline that really sticks out is the period from January 1961 (end of fall semester at U of H) and August of 1961 where she isn't seen anywhere by anybody

One would think if she had traveled to Kenya, after returning to Hawaii / Washington she would have been eager to regale friends with accounts and pictures, etc. Some of those friends would remember. "Oh, yeah. Stanley Ann! Did you know she's been in Africa for the last six months with that black dude she married?"

[Munz]

>The idea in your #719 has merit, even though the Dems have the votes to do anything they desire.
The most attractive aspect, IMHO, is that such an action would demonstrate to the Dems that the Republicans can, as a team, play hardball. Something not now imagined.
It is not at all an unreasonable position: “Simply arrange for the Governor of Hawaii to send us an authentic and verifiable $12 birth certificate.”
Most of us agree until the Republicans show they can play team hardball they have little chance of gaining the confidence of marginal Dems - or many of us for that matter.<

Here are a few things i thought, maybe they will translate well and make sense to others.

Although the dems do have the power to do whatever they want, I dont think that they will all the time.
They KNOW that so much of what they are proposing is BS and bad for us that they REALLY NEED republican’s to vote with them so they have some fall guys in the end when it all goes to crap.

For instance, I think that the most likely legislation that they would sign on alone would be health care because that is what is so important to zero.
But even at that, so many won’t because they are afraid of the ramifications when it costs too much, provides little care and so many are left uninsured.
They want and NEED to be able to say, we had a better idea but republicans wouldn’t sign on to it, so we made the mistake of giving in to republicans and this is what happened. (complete bs, but they will swear it and the loyal party members and msm will treat it as truth)

If no republicans sign it as it is, then they can not say it no way no how and they will be afraid that their party is responsible alone for the demise of the legislation.

secondly - republicans needs to understand like John McCain that we do not want them to move to the left more, but further to the right. I think too many republicans fear that they are truly in the minority on conservative views, when in fact, they lose support because of liberal or more centered views.
We need to make them aware of this. They read the newspapers and watch the msm as well and probably believe at least to some degree that republicans are moving to the left. I think nothing could be further from the truth.

We need to let them know that they will get our support when they start acting like a responsible conservative party, smaller government and start fighting for what we want instead of what they think the rest of the country is moving toward.

[MHGinTN]

Still waiting for that cookie?

[David]

One thing I still don’t understand is how Ann could be divorced if there is no Hawaiian record of her ever being married?

For lots of purposes, marriage is a somewhat looser concept. An affidavit under oath from the party seeking to dissolve a marriage is going to be taken as conclusive that she was married for that purpose. We have lots of local law marriages--common law marriages and the like which in many jurisdictions doesn't require anything but the two parties living together for a while and telling people they were married.

And the fact that she spent several thousand bucks getting the marriage dissolved, together with her oath that they were married is likely to be viewed as pretty conclusive that they were married--otherwise why did she do that?

One thing no one did from an investigative point of view was look for evidence that they were married in Kenya which is what I speculate happened.

The marriage date was between terms at U of H and he returned to school the next term. Further, there is evidence that she and her family were estranged following the time she told them she was pregnant. Where did she live from then until August?

Marriage in Hawaii where the legend has them married would have constituted the crime of Bigamy.

I have always thought what happened is that they went to Kenya between school terms; got married; she stayed and developed a relationship with his family. When she tried to get home so that her kid was born in the US, she was too pregnant to get on the flight.

[David]

I was afraid someone would say that--it was referenced and discussed some time ago on the site. It was in something he wrote or somewhere he was interviewed--I have it in mind that it might have been in his book.

I will think about it. It is time I attempt to go back over the volume of factual material I have outlined and see if I can reconstruct some of the more isolated facts. If we are fortunate enough to get this to a point where getting the facts into evidence becomes important, we will have a lot of difficulty reconstructing everything.

[LucyT]

“Every person in the military should resist, barring absolute proof. If only our military had hundreds of thousands of others with Major Stefan Frederick Cook’s bravery.

“Show us, gentlemen, that you, too, have that bravery. Show the American People that you are not just armchair generals, happy to collect your paychecks, waiting to retire. Show us that you indeed have some testicular fortitude and the ‘guts’ for which our military is known. Show us you give a ****. (darn?)

“You cannot allow this wound to fester. It is Soetoro, at the top, who must prove himself. Not the other way around. With every ‘i’ dotted, and ‘t’ crossed; all the way back to August 4, 1961, from Kenya, to Hawaii, to Indonesia, the passports, the Selective Service application, through school. All of it. ALL OF IT.

“The American People cannot depend on Robert Gates. He has licked every boot he ever encountered, for administrations reaching back to when he first joined the CIA. Suckling at the government teat for one’s entire adult life tends to alter the ego, mettle, and judgment. He is worthless.

“At one time, there were hopes for Colin Powell. I cannot believe I wrote, begging McCain to put him on the ticket, as V.P., last fall. It turns out he is merely a sycophantic racist; one who now has regrets, or ‘concerns‘. As if that will help this country now. That moron helped put the U.S. on the road to hell.

“Congress, for the most part, is nothing but a miserable pathetic collection of spineless, weak political slugs. Possibly you can discern my measurement of Congress’ usefulness.

“To keep this drip from becoming a torrent, you must demand that Soetoro prove his legitimacy, once and for all. First, he should be a citizen of the United States, incredibly, even that is questionable.”

From:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2294182/posts

[Chickensoup]

Bad Oman!!????

Oman is a place.

Omen is an indication of the future

[antisocial]

“There is no former Marine. Once a Marine, always a Marine.

Well, except for Murtha!

[Vendome]

Seriously, what is your problem?

Are you sure you are on the right team?

If so, how do you justify “friendly fire” on those who are, presumably, going the same direction you are?

Wouldn't you be happier on the other side?

You couldn't have more in the wrong in your post this morning. An adult would look back and consider what they said and have some regret. I don't care about an apology but you are wrong and beginning to display your immaturity, which at this point has devolved to grade school.

If you actually consider my post and that of MojitoJoe’s to be in the realm and coached by the side of Axelrod, you have not been paying attention.

Then again, maybe that is the problem. Looking back through your posts they appear to have a fractured intellectual quality and are as developed as a caveman.

Of course this could be your plaintive cry for attention and you just don't know any better.

Guess that makes you an Attention Princess.

[David]

"At some point, Barack himself is quoted as saying she was in Nariobi 72 hours before he was born." Hmm. That needs a link or three. It's either dynamite or sheer BS. You have the second hand hearsay about her being pregnant and rejected for boarding by BOAC Hearsay or sheer speculation? The one real gap in BP2's timeline that really sticks out is the period from January 1961 (end of fall semester at U of H) and August of 1961 where she isn't seen anywhere by anybody One would think if she had traveled to Kenya, after returning to Hawaii / Washington she would have been eager to regale friends with accounts and pictures, etc. Some of those friends would remember. "Oh, yeah. Stanley Ann! Did you know she's been in Africa for the last six months with that black dude she married?"

The 72 hour quote comes from its having been discussed on the site here. As I recall, it is in one of his books. May have been something else he wrote.

[Sorry--I have had to excise a bunch of material here. It comes from material and possible discovery not yet on the record and that may be exposed to some leverage from the other side.]

Your other point is something to consider. She obviously wasn't in Kenya with her black dude for much longer that a few days between school terms because he was in school in Hawaii the rest of the year.

And I don't see the absence of pictures as particularly relevant either--1961? No digital cams; not many other pictures from her in that time frame; maybe she didn't take them.

I assume Stanley Ann was fairly tough--she didn't tell anything she didn't want them to know.

There is another possibility. Susan Blake's best testimony is in the video that was posted which was obviously made long after the fact. By then she and everyone else knew his birth location was a material issue and whoever prepared her pointed her to timing things to say.

Legally, it is pretty certain that he didn't become a citizen when he came down the shute if he was born in Kenya--so the record looks a little like an effort to establish a basis for claiming that he was born in the USA. That way, he doesn't need to worry about establishing his citizenship later? Doubtful anybody thought he was likely to run for President at that point.

[El Gato]

And I don't see any reason she would have gone to Canada--lots of other remote locations she could have had the kid without much of a record.

Because the family had contacts in nearby Seattle? Plus Stanley Ann herself had many friends living in the area, since she had graduated from Mercer Island High School.

If she was supposed to give the baby up for adoption, Canada would at that time have been a much better spot for a mixed race baby to be adopted by a "good" family, than the US would have been.

All the "paper work" of getting admitted to U Washington would have already been completed before August '61, so why not stay there with the baby. Might have also been part of a "sham marriage" deal with BHO Sr. It's pretty apparent that she never lived with him after BHO Jr. was born, and perhaps not before either.