Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]

May 05th,2008

[nw_arizona_granny]

Yahoo ran an interesting article this morning indicating a rise in the number of survivalist communities cropping up around the country. I have been wondering myself how much of the recent energy crisis is causing people to do things like stockpile food and water, grow their own vegetables, etc. Could it be that there are many people out there stockpiling and their increased buying has caused food prices to increase? It’s an interesting theory, but I believe increased food prices have more to do with rising fuel prices as cost-to-market costs have increased and grocers are simply passing those increases along to the consumer. A recent stroll through the camping section of Wal-Mart did give me pause - what kinds of things are prudent to have on hand in the event of a worldwide shortage of food and/or fuel? Survivalist in Training

I’ve been interested in survival stories since I was a kid, which is funny considering I grew up in a city. Maybe that’s why the idea of living off the land appealed to me. My grandfather and I frequently took camping trips along the Blue Ridge Parkway and around the Smoky Mountains. Looking back, some of the best times we had were when we stayed at campgrounds without electricity hookups, because it forced us to use what we had to get by. My grandfather was well-prepared with a camp stove and lanterns (which ran off propane), and when the sun went to bed we usually did along with it. We played cards for entertainment, and in the absence of televisions, games, etc. we shared many great conversations. Survivalist in the Neighborhood

[nw_arizona_granny]

I am going through newspaper clippings from 1877-1910 chronicling events in my family’s history. My OCR software got a workout while I was offline.

There aren’t enough hours in the day!<<<

How true, I am feeling so rushed right now, as i got off in to looking for different scanners with the link I posted for the google.

Now, I am tired and hungry.

As for the link, [smile], just proof that i think of you, now and then.

[nw_arizona_granny]

Did they leave when confronted?<<<

The dispatcher said the working man got them out of his house, she did not say if he was warned.

The man in the bedroom, went back in the bedroom and locked the door and called Police, I do not know how it went from there.

I did hear one cop ask about theft and he was told nothing except a bag [?], which happened to contain the owners credit card, I couldn’t figure if it was a grocery bag or some other type, but only the credit card was in it.

The cops were not shocked, more of a “ok, here is another one”.

In the 3 cases in 3 towns, all were strangers, so it was not dopers fighting, etc.

Yes, we will see more of it, the for sale houses have always been in danger if no one was living there.

There are more calls lately, for open garage doors, on houses that it should not be open on.

I say yes, weapons that have back up weapons, are in our future.

[DelaWhere]

>>>That’s a great store owner you got there.<<<

Yep, sure is... He has worked hard to build up that little business and it seems to be paying off. They built on 2 years ago and I was worried for him - but he had a good plan and his whole family pitches in... His wife is a nurse and soon as she gets off, she is right there - one daughter is just out of high school and works full time there while she takes night classes at a Junior College. Their younger daughter -about 11 or 12 is a corker... A lot of the old timers will tease her when she is running the register - but they don’t get to pull the wool over her eyes...

When he expanded, he put in some booths so people ordering sandwiches, etc. can sit - Has a LCD flatscreen that stays on Fox News... Morning, noon and night, there are always some of our locals sitting around talking and having coffee, doughnuts, or a bite to eat and discussing the world situation. He even put a wide porch on it and has rocking chairs with some barrels with checkerboards.

Rather than going in town, most of us try to support his efforts and check out his store first.

Makes me feel old - I remember when he was in diapers... Gosh, I even remember when his parents were kids... OK gotta quit this or I will start believing how old I am... LOL

Oh, he was telling me the last time I was there that he had made a big mistake... he had placed an ad in the paper for a grill/counter person - The paper had gone out that morning and he had already had well over a hundred phone calls from people wanting the job. He said he had 2 chefs from big restaurants, an MBA, a whole bunch of retired people who hadn’t worked in years, salesmen, carpenters, roofers, and the calls just kept coming. Kind of gives you a hint of the employment picture.

[DelaWhere]

>>>If they are indeed prison camps, congress will pass them, if they are for keeping the Military safe, they will not pass the bill................all in my opinion.
<<<

Again I think Granny is absolutely correct!

[nw_arizona_granny]

PSYCHOSIS - NICARAGUA: (ATLANTICO NORTE)
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A ProMED-mail post
http://www.promedmail.org
ProMED-mail is a program of the
International Society for Infectious Diseases
http://www.isid.org

Date: Wed 4 Mar 2009
Source: Tico Times, Nica Times report [edited]
http://www.ticotimes.net/dailyarchive/2009_03/030409.htm#story1

Outbreak of mysterious ‘grisi siknis’ illness grips indigenous towns
in Nicaragua

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A team of traditional indigenous healers and regional health
authorities from the North Atlantic Autonomous Region (RAAN) trekked
out to visit 3 rural Miskito communities along the Rio Coco on
Tuesday [3 Mar 2009] to investigate reports of an outbreak of a
mysterious collective hysteria, known as ‘grisi siknis’, or ‘crazy
sickness.’

Centuriano Knight, the regional health coordinator for the RAAN told
The Nica Times yesterday [3 Mar 2009] in a phone interview that 34
people have reportedly fallen ill with grisi siknis in the river
community of Santa Fe, 7 people in the nearby community of Esperanza,
and 2 in the neighboring community of San Carlos. The outbreak of
grisi siknis, which has no scientific explanation, is the largest
case of collective hysteria since a massive outbreak in the RAAN
community of Raiti in 2003.

Though doctors, anthropologists, and sociologists have all studied
previous cases, no one has been able to explain the phenomenon, Knight
said. Traditional healers and witches have different theories ranging
from a curse to incomplete witchcraft.

The strange illness apparently affects young people more than old,
putting them in a trance and giving them super-human strength,
according to Knight and other witnesses. “A 15-year-old girl with
siknis can overpower 6 or 7 men,” Knight said. “The men can’t detain
her, and have to tie her up in bed sheets.”

Knight said the illness doesn’t necessarily make people violent, but
it does make them hysterical. Many of the affected will take off
running madly, and other villagers can’t stop them, he said.

Sometimes, however, grisi siknis can turn violent. In the case of
Raiti in 2003, some of the affected people ran around town with
machetes trying to cut others.

Knight said the mysterious illness has existed in the indigenous
communities since the 1960s, but had disappeared for years until the
2003 outbreak. The illness apparently only affects indigenous Miskito
and Mayagna populations [Amerindians].

In 2004, the illness was cured by a local healer who treated it with
herbs and other natural medicines. The 3 local healers sent to the
communities Tuesday [3 Mar 2009] will employ the same techniques,
Knight said.

[Byline: Tim Rogers]

—
Communicated by
Robin Lake
lake@apk.net

[Extensive background on this condition is given in ProMED archive
(02) below. The 2005 outbreak was in response to the stress of
famine. It would be interesting to know if there is famine there
again, or any other stressful condition.

Photo of Miskito tribespeople:
http://www.csa.com/discoveryguides/refugee/images/miskito.jpg
Location map of Nicaragua:
http://www.mapsofworld.com/nicaragua/maps/nicaragua-location-map.jpg
Map of Nicaragua:
http://healthmap.org/promed/en?v=12.8,-85,6
Map showing Rio Coco:
http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/355/MapDesign/MiskitoCoast.jpg

- Mod.JW]

[see also:
2005

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Psychosis - Nicaragua (Atlantico Norte) (02) 20051203.3488
Psychosis - Nicaragua (Atlantico Norte): RFI 20051201.3465]
........................................jw/mj/jw

[nw_arizona_granny]

http://www.ic3.gov/media/2009/090305.aspx

Intelligence Note

Prepared by the Internet Crime
Complaint Center (IC3)

March 5, 2009

Fake Military Twist On Vehicle Sale Scams

The FBI
continues to receive reports of individuals victimized while attempting to purchase
vehicles via the Internet. Victims find attractively priced vehicles advertised
at different Internet classified ad sites. Most of the scams include
some type of third-party vehicle protection program to ensure a safe transaction.
After receiving convincing e-mails from the phony vehicle protection program, the
victims are directed to send either the full payment, or a percentage of the payment,
to the third-party agent via a wire payment service. No vehicles are delivered to
the victims.

In a new twist, scammers are posing as members of the United States military. The
fictitious military personnel in the scam have either been sent to a foreign country
to improve military relations, or they need to sell a vehicle quickly and cheaply
because of their upcoming deployment to either Iraq or Afghanistan.

Consumers are advised to do as much due diligence as possible before engaging in
transactions to purchase vehicles advertised online. Consumers are also cautioned
to be aware of the rules of or warnings posted by the Internet sites they visit.
If someone is asking a consumer to break or avoid the rules of the Web site, it
is possible that person is trying to scam you.

If you have fallen victim to this type of scam, please notify the IC3 by filing
a complaint at www.IC3.gov.

[nw_arizona_granny]

Again I think Granny is absolutely correct!<<<

Strange, but I don’t get a kick out of being right on things like this, would rather be wrong and have those elected fools vote for the good of the country.

[nw_arizona_granny]

US-CERT Current Activity

Mozilla Foundation Releases Firefox 3.0.7

Original release date: March 5, 2009 at 8:44 am
Last revised: March 5, 2009 at 8:44 am

Mozilla Foundation has released Firefox 3.0.7 to address multiple
vulnerabilities. These vulnerabilities may allow an attacker to
execute arbitrary code, cause a denial-of-service condition, obtain
sensitive information, or spoof the location bar. The Mozilla
Foundation Security Advisories also indicate that these
vulnerabilities affect Thunderbird and SeaMonkey.

US-CERT encourages users to review the following Mozilla Foundation
Security Advisories and update to Firefox 3.0.7 to help mitigate the
risks.
* Mozilla Foundation Security Advisory 2009-07
* Mozilla Foundation Security Advisory 2009-08
* Mozilla Foundation Security Advisory 2009-09
* Mozilla Foundation Security Advisory 2009-10
* Mozilla Foundation Security Advisory 2009-11

Relevant Url(s):
http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2009/mfsa2009-10.html

http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2009/mfsa2009-07.html

http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2009/mfsa2009-11.html

http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2009/mfsa2009-09.html

http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2009/mfsa2009-08.html

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/

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This entry is available at
http://www.us-cert.gov/current/index.html#mozilla_foundation_releases_firefox_3

[PGalt]

Thanks for the ping, commentary and all posters on this outstanding thread. Placemark BUMP!

[CottonBall]

No, the forum was not here, it was the Survival Ring that was going in the 1990’s, some of us left, as it was going too radical and hate filled to read, LOL, even if it was about Clinton then.

Oh, ok. I suppose unless the leaders and/or members aren't careful, such groups can quicky become taken over by those with a more radical agenda. That's why I've been impressed with the Minutemen - they've had border watches on every border every April and October for years now, without a single incident. The MSM would be on them if there was, so their vetting and training process is very rigid. Not to mention the ranks are filled with ex-military who have been taught to keep a cool head under stressful conditions. I hope when the time comes we have a militia with the same level of calm and order. It'll be tough though.

OMG - serving McVeigh and his buddies! (Again) You could write a book, granny!

[CottonBall]

The cops were not shocked, more of a “ok, here is another one”.

Now, that's the worst part. Means it's rampant.

I say yes, weapons that have back up weapons, are in our future.

Hubby just took off for Walmart to see what ammo they still have in stock. I couldn't find any 223 for him today, so he had to mail order it.

[CottonBall]

When he expanded, he put in some booths so people ordering sandwiches, etc. can sit - Has a LCD flatscreen that stays on Fox News... Morning, noon and night, there are always some of our locals sitting around talking and having coffee, doughnuts, or a bite to eat and discussing the world situation. He even put a wide porch on it and has rocking chairs with some barrels with checkerboards.

I think I want to move there. ;) Sounds like a great place to hang out with like-minded people. The rocking chairs and checkers has a real old-time sounds to it. I think I was born way, way too late - I love hearing about the old days and have the values more like my grandmother than the people I know today (even some grandparents I know who are fine with their grandkids shacking up or having illegitimate kids).

He said he had 2 chefs from big restaurants, an MBA, a whole bunch of retired people who hadn’t worked in years, salesmen, carpenters, roofers, and the calls just kept coming. Kind of gives you a hint of the employment picture.

It's sad all over. Are you near a big city with people looking for work all over? I've heard of people with masters applying for a car sales position. This is getting more like the depression stories - and Obama has only got started on ruining the economy!

I thought about you today at Winco as I was picking up Mason Jars and browsing the bulk items to see what else I should store ;) I was also wondering what kind of canner to get (I'm feeling brave enough to try it now - it had to sink in for a few weeks!). Any advice you have would be greatly appreciated, GG.

[CottonBall]

Now, I am tired and hungry.

Take good care of yourself - don't forget that.

How are you feeling today?

[CottonBall]

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy making positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture—education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

So many have already been done (IMO)...

[steve0]

Tell me what you think of these sites:

1. Whats the real level of unemployment? Alternative calculation of US employment closer to 17% http://www.shadowstats.com/
2. Want to see what US could go through? It already happened in Argentina in 2001 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH6_i8zuffs&feature=related

3. No money for a doctor in 2010? Download these do it yourself medical books for free. Do it now. Where there is no doctor. http://www.hesperian.org/publications_download.php Where there is no dentist

4. Ferfal’s list 100 Items to Disappear First

1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won’t heat a room.)
15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman’s Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {”Strike Anywhere” preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, “No. 76 Dietz” Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men’s Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. “Survival-in-a-Can”
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress’s
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)

[nw_arizona_granny]

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2181392%2C3752

Needy Students Flooding College Food Banks
Campus Food Banks Say Spike In Need Has Been ‘Exponential’
Christin Ayers, 7NEWS Reporter

POSTED: 8:03 pm MST March 4, 2009
UPDATED: 10:58 am MST March 5, 2009

snipped.

Metro State College opened its food bank last September.

“We went from an average of about eight people a week up to about 12 people a week, and now we’re somewhere around 30 a week,” said food bank coordinator Brittany Pyle.

continue

[nw_arizona_granny]

I goofed, the Denver Need Students article has the wrong url, here is correct url....

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18857805/detail.html?treets=den&tid=2659747428813&tml=den_7am&tmi=den_7am_1_08000103052009&ts=H

[nw_arizona_granny]

Thank you, do join in we are always interested in what you have to say.

[nw_arizona_granny]

OMG - serving McVeigh and his buddies! (Again) You could write a book, granny!<<<

LOL, I turned the pages of the book of life and paid attention to what I found on them.

The surprise for me is that others go through life and didn’t get kicked as often as I did.

As a kid I wanted to be a medical missionary and as an adult I tried to be a wife and mother, but all the weird things jumped in front of me and I guess I did live my life a little fuller than many people do.

I listened on KDWN radio to the Minute men as they formed and held their first meetings, there were two hosts on that station that covered them and had all the leaders on as often as possible.

Yes, I do agree with you they are a good bunch of folks, attempting to do their part and they also had trouble with the nazi fringe groups attempting to join them.

We had that here at Free Republic about the same time, but Jim Robinson put a stop to it.

To me, the militia is two groups, the good Americans and the fringe groups, that are filled with hate.

I am never anti when it about good guys.

I learned a lot from Chuck Harder and consider him a good guy and some of those who were on his team.

I doubt that the Militia will be able to do much, except die, as many of them seem to do, when they object too loudly.

[nw_arizona_granny]

Hubby just took off for Walmart to see what ammo they still have in stock. I couldn’t find any 223 for him today, so he had to mail order it.<<<

I read this all over the country.

There is now a rumor that the Gov has asked Walmart and other importers to not import it and asked the foreign countries to not allow it to be shipped to the U.S.

I do not know what the truth is.