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(Vanity) Now is not the time to go wobbly
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Posted on 10/10/2008 7:04:45 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel

I'm starting this thread to counter act the surrender threads currently out there. I wasn't at today's McCain rally in Minnesota. I only see what the MSM packages for me to see, which I suspect was intended to demoralize.

I choose not to be demoralized. And I ask that those of you who are going wobbly to stop it. I will still gladly vote for McCain/Palin.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 2008electionbias; courage; dnctalkingpoints; dontgowobbly; election2008; election2008polls; howtostealanelection; polls; stalinisttactics; tuneinturnonfreepout; zogbyism
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

You need to tell McCain now is not the time to go wobbly.


61 posted on 10/10/2008 7:56:42 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: parksstp
I have planned on supporting McCain since May of this year.

Between highlighting Obama’s inexperience and constantly airing the Reverend Wright tape, Hillary Clinton showed that Obama can be defeated at the ballot box.

62 posted on 10/10/2008 7:58:54 PM PDT by Aglooka (Posting from New Hampshachusetts (Formerly New Hampshire))
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

I’d recommend that people go back and look at the threads leading up to the 2004 election which “assured” us of a Kerry landslide.

On top of that, Zogby and others were offering “exit polls” that told the same thing.

The media pushed this tally for the first 7minutes of the election night coverage “with 0% of precincts reporting” said on ALL networks how Bush had lost because, like his father “it’s the economy, stupid”, “another one term president”.

It soon became aparent just how off the “polls” had been.

When you cook the books, remember to know just how much you stole.


63 posted on 10/10/2008 7:59:37 PM PDT by weegee (Obama's a uniter?"I want you to argue with them (friends,neighbors,Republicans) & get in their face")
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To: loungeSerf
Lost freedom is very, very costly to get back.

I agree. That's exactly what will happen with either socialist candidate. The difference between Obama and McCain is that the former is blatant in his support for socialism while the latter takes more effort to cover it up under the guise of conservatism.

I’m confident McCain will be loyal to Palin.

You have it 180 degrees backwards. McCain doesn't have to be loyal to Palin. VP's have to be loyal to their future boss. He selected her because she, like any running mate, agrees to support the Presidential candidate on at least a majority of the issues. That's not a comforting thought given his socialist stance on many key issues over the years including amnesty for illegal aliens, the human induce global warming fallacy, restriction of free speech under the pretense of campaign finance reform and the latest socialist scam of a bail out this past week.

Not only does Obama agree with all these positions but McCain went to the extreme of sponsoring legislation on the former three with flaming socialists Teddy Kennedy, Joe Lieberman and Russ Feingold. It is astounding how people can so easily delude themselves into believing McCain will be any better than his fellow socialist or that a neophyte politician on the federal level will suddenly and miraculously convert McCain to conservatism. It not only shows how far the country has moved to the socialist left but also the resulting desperation of people to latch onto someone who pretends to be conservative.
64 posted on 10/10/2008 8:00:51 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: ROTB
BHO Terrorist Association with William Ayers coming to light. In a post 9/11 world, I think its a good idea for Presidential candidates not to have any terrorist friends. (... sarcasm there ... its obviously never a good idea to have any terrorist friends)
65 posted on 10/10/2008 8:02:43 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

Yes, I’m a big Rush fan. Rush agrees with me.


66 posted on 10/10/2008 8:09:02 PM PDT by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: caseinpoint

Lord Denoreth = Denethor, sheesh!


67 posted on 10/10/2008 8:09:46 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: weegee

Here is a lengthy thread, something more than just a disection of this editorial/column by one of Roger Ebert’s co-horts, I ended up using it as a dumping ground for a recap of the 2004 election cycle. Plenty of links to old threads and things we forgot.

Hold in there. On election day in 2004, Rush was telling listeners to NOT get in the dumps about the bogus exit poll numbers that were circulating. I want to know what the Democrats INTERNAL polling numbers are.

Jim Emerson: On celebrities, Politics, and movie critics (shilling for Roger Ebert)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1273094/posts
Chicago Sun Times ^ | October 14, 2004 | Jim Emerson, Editor of RogerEbert.com
Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 6:59:04 PM by weegee

Also, I coined a term last time:

ZOGBYISM:

Zogbyism will forever more be the term for a leftist media snowjob designed to sway public opinion.

example: “The Zogbyism in this campaign almost gave John Kerry an unearned victory.”
“The media’s rampant Zogbyism night after night with forged memos and DNC coordinated smears drove many conservative voters to the polls in a defiant statement of ‘Hell, no! We want Bush!’”

I hit upon it after reading this thread:
ZOGBY’s DELUSIONS
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1270705/posts?
Zogby ^
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 3:11:46 PM by golch1979

Polling firm Zogby International accurately predicted President Bush’s Ohio victory, as well as the defeat of Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle in South Dakota, and accurately forecast the outcome of every Senate race in our final battleground poll, conducted October 29 through November 1, 2004. The margin of error was +/- 4.1 percentage points.

PRESIDENTIAL VOTE -2004

STATE BUSH KERRY

CO-Actual 53% 46% CO-Zogby 49% 47%

FL-Actual 52% 47% FL-Zogby 48% 48%

IA-Actual 50% 49% IA-Zogby 45% 50%

MI-Actual 48% 51% MI-Zogby 46% 52%

MN-Actual 48% 51% MN-Zogby 45% 51%

NV-Actual 51% 48% NV-Zogby 50% 45%

NM-Actual 50% 49% NM-Zogby 48% 51%

OH-Actual 51% 49% OH-Zogby 49% 43%

PA-Actual 49% 51% PA-Zogby 46% 50%

WI-Actual 49% 50% WI-Zogby 45% 51%

** Zogby FINAL Oct. 29-Nov. 1, MOE +/- 4.1

SENATE RACES

DASCHLE THUNE SD-Actual 49% 51% SD-Zogby 46% 48% Oct 25-26 MOE +/- 3.5

SALAZAR COORS CO-Actual 51% 47% CO-Zogby 52% 44% Oct 29-Nov 1 MOE +/- 4.1

MARTINEZ CASTOR FL-Actual 50% 48% FL-Zogby 48% 43% Oct 29-Nov 1 MOE +/- 4.1

GRASSLEY SMALL IA-Actual 70% 28% IA-Zogby 69% 20% Oct 29-Nov 1 MOE +/- 4.1

REID ZISER NV-Actual 61% 35% NV-Zogby 57% 34% Oct 29-Nov 1 MOE +/- 4.1

VOINOVICH FINGERHUT OH-Actual 64% 36% OH-Zogby 56% 32% Oct 29-Nov 1 MOE +/- 4.1

SPECTER HOEFFEL PA-Actual 53% 42% PA-Zogby 53% 32% Oct 29-Nov 1 MOE +/- 4.1

FEINGOLD MICHELS WI-Actual 56% 44% WI-Zogby 58% 38% Oct 29-Nov 1 MOE +/- 4.1

See this thread also:

Statement from John Zogby on 2004 Presidential Election Results (CYA spin)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1268922/posts
Zogby ^ | 11/3/04 | John Zogby
Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 12:25:29 PM

“We feel strongly that our pre-election polls were accurate on virtually every state. Our predictions on many of the key battleground states like Ohio and Florida were within the margin of error. I thought we captured a trend, but apparently that result didn’t materialize.

“We always saw a close race, and a close race is what we’ve got. I’ve called this the Armageddon Election for some time—a closely-divided electorate with high partisan intensity on each side.”

(more from Zogby coming soon…)


68 posted on 10/10/2008 8:09:54 PM PDT by weegee (Obama's a uniter?"I want you to argue with them (friends,neighbors,Republicans) & get in their face")
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

If people refuse to vote for McCain because he’s not perfect, then they are helping to damn us to 4 years of Obamanation. Whether they sit it out or “send a message” (that no one but Obama is hearing) by being holier than thou and voting for an obscure third party candidate.

Thanks a lot!

The MSM is in Obama’s pocket, the pollster are kept creatures, and hard core leftists and their dependents aren’t going to change. But there are plenty of uncertains who can be influenced. And conservative need to FIGHT voter fraud in any way possible.

Suppose soldiers and generals in WW2 had been eunuchs and wimps and quivered with fear without fighting? Supposed the fighers in the Revolutionary war had this defeatist attitude? The odds looked bad,they could have given up before victory.

Obama is the worst man to run for the office of President in the history of the nation. He has to be defeated.


69 posted on 10/10/2008 8:15:37 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: little jeremiah
People have forgotten what life was like under Carter and they haven't been paying attention to the remnants of his legacy (including his continued meddling in Middle Eastern policy).
70 posted on 10/10/2008 8:17:54 PM PDT by weegee (Obama's a uniter?"I want you to argue with them (friends,neighbors,Republicans) & get in their face")
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To: counterpunch

McCain did not surrender.
I am steadfast, determined and deliberate. We must have a Republican in the White House the other choice will change the Supreme Court.
Do not go wobbly. Vote Republican.


71 posted on 10/10/2008 8:25:17 PM PDT by mojo114
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To: TheCause

Gave me chills too! I love that part. I don’t know how many times I’ve read those books.

In fact I commented today or yesterday (somewhere) using the example of the fight at Helm’s Deep as a reason why conservatives should not go wobbly and defeatist.


72 posted on 10/10/2008 8:25:40 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: little jeremiah

The analogy with Helm’s Deep is inappropriate.

At least the folks at Helm’s Deep were led by a brave leader who stuck to his guns until the very end.

Unlike McQueeg.


73 posted on 10/10/2008 8:27:51 PM PDT by jddqr (Chuck Baldwin for President '08)
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To: weegee
It soon became aparent just how off the “polls” had been.

But the question is, why were the "polls" off?

I'd submit that they didn't take into account (and couldn't take into account) the Rove-orchestrated micro-targeted knock-and-drag GOTV effort. I distinctly remember listening to Ralph Reed on the radio saying how he was confident Ohio had been won because he knew that the Bush Campaign had surpassed their GOTV goals.

I'd also submit that if you look at the Zogby numbers posted above, the ones for Kerry are very close to actual. It's the ones for Bush that are off, with the numbers clearly showing that undecideds broke his way.

This election is going to be a VERY different beast, given the unknowns regarding both the Obama GOTV effort (which has the appearances of being exceptionally strong) and the McCain GOTV effort (did he really inherit the strong Bush2004 effort and can his campain effectly employ it?).

My read on the polls is that the people setting them up are largely guessing at the weighting. So they may be off, and off significantly. But that's definitely a "may be", not an "are". We won't know until election night.

We also won't know how, assuming that the polls are accurate, undecideds will eventually break. And I'm not sure that past elections (like them breaking for Bush in 04) are a good indicator of what's going to happen this year.
74 posted on 10/10/2008 8:28:13 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Have you watched the rallies? They have an outstanding crowd, more than Obama’s. Do not let the naysayers get you down. All is well.
Stratergy is what is happening.


75 posted on 10/10/2008 8:29:29 PM PDT by mojo114
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To: jddqr

The general analogy is appropriate. Help can come from unexpected quarters. and remember Theoden was a weakling enthralled by Saruman’s black magic.


76 posted on 10/10/2008 8:31:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

Keep in mind he said it on the cuff after someone asked him a question. Sure it was not a good answer and most disagree with it. But don’t over react to it. McCain is not exactly what we wanted but he is better than the alternative.

If he really believed that, McCain would not be posting all of these increasingly effective ads.


77 posted on 10/10/2008 8:31:55 PM PDT by TMA62 (TMA62)
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To: little jeremiah

Eh? Helms Deep happened AFTER Gandalf removed Saruman’s curse.

We need to remove McCain’s RINO curse somehow :)

Track Palin in 2024!


78 posted on 10/10/2008 8:33:38 PM PDT by jddqr (Chuck Baldwin for President '08)
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To: TMA62

I couldn’t imagine what it would be like making 1 - sometimes 2 campaign stops a day, the traveling, the noise, the speeches, saying the same thing, yet trying hard to be fresh each time. I couldn’t imagine doing that at 72.


79 posted on 10/10/2008 8:41:55 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: weegee

When we learn that 70M people watched the VP debate, yet supposedly Sarah “lost” — something doesn’t jive. I think Sarah is drawing larger crowds than the 0bomination


80 posted on 10/10/2008 8:45:13 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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