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How Scientific Evidence is Changing the Tide of the Evolution vs. Intelligent Design Debate
http://www.geocities.com/wade_schauer/Changing_Tide.pdf ^ | 1/7/2007 | Wade Schauer

Posted on 01/08/2007 2:16:07 PM PST by Sopater

INTRODUCTION:

For the past few years there has been a relatively public battle between Evolution (Darwinism) and Intelligent Design (ID). In courtrooms, classrooms and even at the polls, ID has been mostly losing this battle. Meanwhile, with the completion of the human genome project and the sequencing of many other species, scientific discoveries are upending many long-held assumptions of the pro-evolution community, but they don’t seem to realize it yet. The purpose of this article is to illuminate some of these discoveries and give hope to the ID community that steady, patient defense of our position will eventually win the war.

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CONCLUSION:

What can we conclude from the evidence presented in this essay:


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TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: creation; crevo; evolution; intelligentdesign; junkdna
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1 posted on 01/08/2007 2:16:09 PM PST by Sopater
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Junk DNA Ping...


2 posted on 01/08/2007 2:24:22 PM PST by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: Sopater

Junk Science Ping.


3 posted on 01/08/2007 2:35:28 PM PST by timberlandko (Murphy was an optimist.)
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To: Sopater
I took a look at your article (I note that it is prominently linked over at www.antievolution.org, under the "Anti-Science News" section.

I see nothing in these DNA results which either supports creationism, or which disproves evolution. Perhaps you could clarify these findings for me?

4 posted on 01/08/2007 2:41:03 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman
I see nothing in these DNA results which either supports creationism, or which disproves evolution. Perhaps you could clarify these findings for me?

Non-coding DNA having a useful purpose, rather than being evolutional byproducts, supports Creationism.

Since Evolution does not have a well established and rooted "goal-post", I'm skeptical that it possible to "disprove".

Thanks for the link to "antievolution.org". I'll check it out.
5 posted on 01/08/2007 2:46:56 PM PST by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: Sopater
"Non-coding DNA having a useful purpose, rather than being evolutional byproducts, supports Creationism."

Says whom? And by the way, how?

Creationism being merely an unsupported conjecture no more benefits from such a finding than does the FSM

6 posted on 01/08/2007 3:03:29 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Sopater

Hmmmm confusing a data segment with a code segment? Could "junk segments" be the pattern loads for what we call "instinct?"


7 posted on 01/08/2007 3:11:40 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Saddam is Dead! Bush's Fault. [Pray for our patriot brother, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub.])
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To: Sopater

bump


8 posted on 01/08/2007 3:42:54 PM PST by gobucks (Blissful Marriage: A result of a worldly husband's transformation into the Word's wife.)
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To: timberlandko
Unnecessary rudeness ping.

If any Christian freeper here is also a Wikipedian, would you look at this Operation Auca Discussion page, and help the primary author? Two apparent atheists/unChristians have extreme views, including a German who is attempting to explain nuances in the English language to the (apparently) American author.

Not a Wikipedian, only a Wookieepedian (and other Wikia), and they take the IP address.

9 posted on 01/08/2007 4:10:50 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( WND, NewsMax, Townhall.com, Brietbart.com, and Drudge Report are not valid news sources.)
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To: timberlandko
...patient defense of our position (ID) will eventually win the war.

And what is that position? In a nutshell: "We ID people are too dumb to understand the complexities of life, so, therefore, some ill-defined creature created life.

10 posted on 01/09/2007 1:55:39 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

I looked...


I'm baffled!


12 posted on 01/11/2007 5:08:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Sopater

I was just thinking about this subject along similar lines. Science no longer supports that all could have happened by known natural causes.


13 posted on 01/11/2007 5:22:48 AM PST by Tribune7 (Conservatives hold bad behavior against their leaders. Dims don't.)
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To: Tribune7
"Science no longer supports that all could have happened by known natural causes."

Actually, science *requires* that all has happened by natural causes.

You simply assume that the 'natural' cause is unknown and you are back in business.

No problemo.

14 posted on 01/11/2007 5:48:17 AM PST by GourmetDan
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To: GourmetDan
Actually, science *requires* that all has happened by natural causes.

Actually, it doesn't. It requires the assumption that the subject of a methodological investigation be of natural origin. But if no answer is found, the assumption ends and the supernatural remains possible.

IOW, one can be a scientist and believe in God.

15 posted on 01/11/2007 5:57:57 AM PST by Tribune7 (Conservatives hold bad behavior against their leaders. Dims don't.)
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To: Tribune7
"Actually, it doesn't. It requires the assumption that the subject of a methodological investigation be of natural origin. But if no answer is found, the assumption ends and the supernatural remains possible."

Name one area where no answer has been found that is attributed to God.

What actually happens is an appeal to undiscovered natural effects, not God.

16 posted on 01/11/2007 6:28:33 AM PST by GourmetDan
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To: GourmetDan

You are not reading what I wrote correctly.


17 posted on 01/11/2007 7:20:51 AM PST by Tribune7 (Conservatives hold bad behavior against their leaders. Dims don't.)
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To: Tribune7
"You are not reading what I wrote correctly."

And you are misrepresenting the issue.

18 posted on 01/11/2007 7:32:48 AM PST by GourmetDan
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To: timberlandko; Sopater; Aetius; Alamo-Girl; AndrewC; APFel; Asphalt; Aussie Dasher; AnalogReigns; ...
"Junk Science Ping."

While I attach no particular importance to the genome project, neither do I see one such as yourself, posessing no knowledge whatsoever on the subject, having the authority to declare it junk science.

Wishful thinking from an empty evolutionism rider?

19 posted on 01/11/2007 8:22:46 AM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: Sopater

>>Non-coding DNA having a useful purpose, rather than being evolutional byproducts, supports Creationism.<<

It also supports the concept that we don't know everything yet. Something darwinists ignore. They forget that, as Rumsfeld said, "we don't know what we don't know".

Lastly, it supports the concept that whoever designed it know what He was doing.


20 posted on 01/11/2007 12:40:21 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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