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Texas boy, 4, killed by two pit bulls
Washington Times ^ | 11-22-06 | u

Posted on 11/22/2006 12:25:48 PM PST by JZelle

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To: gitmogrunt
"Even with four gunshot wounds, he is standing up and staring people down," Hodges said.

Someone needs to learn to aim a little better... and not take so many "wild" shots.

101 posted on 11/24/2006 3:54:22 AM PST by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

I was attacked by a pack of 4 stray dogs once. They were BEAGLES. They were viscious.


102 posted on 11/24/2006 3:56:50 AM PST by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: gitmogrunt
OK...and your point is? All the article really says is that Harris County animal control can't enforce the leash laws already on the books, but want the additional authority to ban certain breeds...

The net effect of a ban would be roughly the equivalent of the Washington DC, Chicago, or NYC banning handguns, then complaining about the rising problem of "illegal guns." If the problem is stray dogs, round them up and euthanize them....but you don't need a breed ban to do that. Perhaps some of ya'll would like a return to feudal europe where only the nobility could own certain breeds, and we peasants had to settle for a mutt if we could afford it after paying the onerous taxes to our lords. Personally I prefer the system our founding fathers set up, but if ya'll prefer government as a solution to all problems, my only word of advice would be to stay out of the king's forest...it's full of mastiffs looking for poachers.

103 posted on 11/24/2006 5:00:49 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: JZelle

I saw on the TV news the scrawny little dog that was shot.

I saw the interview with the woman who said she tried to stop the attack. She said that she "got in between the dogs and the boy".

She didn't have a bite on her but the kid was supposedly bitten to death.

Either this was a very focused dog or she is a liar.

Do the math as there is more to this story.


104 posted on 11/24/2006 7:18:17 PM PST by Eaker (You were given the choice between war & dishonor. You chose dishonor & you will have war. -Churchill)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Good post there Joe!


105 posted on 11/24/2006 7:19:50 PM PST by Eaker (You were given the choice between war & dishonor. You chose dishonor & you will have war. -Churchill)
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To: All

It is so surprising to me to be on a board with people that seem to really care about attaining knowledge before they pass judgement only to find so few actually do.

The breed is not the problem. Pit bull types right now account for a very large percentage of the population of dogs. They are the number one or two most popular breed right now, numbering somewhere in the four to six million range.

Yes, unfortunately there are many idiots who buy them for all the wrong reasons, and some others that get them and don't bother training or socializing them. However, there are many more who simply have researched the breed and got them as family pets. For the few that kill people every year (somewhere between 10 and 20), there are several million that don't. The news won't report this because it isn't news.

With all the dogfighting and drug dealing going on, and all the pit bulls supposedly owned by these criminals, there should be a lot more devastation dealt by them than this. They are strong, determined, and capable, yes. But as a whole, they are obviously not as dangerous as the media and PETA would have you believe. If that were the case, perhaps the percentage of them killing people would be higher than the 0.000002% than it is (the same percentage that all other large breeds hold for killings compared to their population).

This trend has been seen with many other popular breeds when they hit their number one status: German Shepherds, Chows, Rottweilers, Doberman Pinchers, and even Great Danes. Every decade has its breed to hate. Now seems to be the time for the pit bull. Soon, another dog will become the dog to hate and pit bulls will fade into the background, where they have been for a long time.

I strongly urge the people of this forum to do research before posting, as there is a wealth of information out there that doesn't involve biased, greed-based reporters and terrorists like PETA members. I once hated and feared this breed, but after spending much time trying to prove to a friend how dangerous his pit bulls were, I found in my research nothing but the contrary.

Remember, the media is not a non-profit organization bent on educating. They make money off of the stories they print, and do very little research on the details of their stories. There have been numerous stories printed about pit bulls with pictures and all that turned out to be another kind of dog completely. It doesn't hurt to find out for yourself what is true and what is not. The only thing to loose is ignorance.


106 posted on 11/24/2006 8:16:38 PM PST by solosmoke
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To: solosmoke

It helps if I can spell correctly. The only thing to LOSE is ignorance. Heh.


107 posted on 11/24/2006 8:20:00 PM PST by solosmoke
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To: endthematrix

What amendment gives you the right to keep and bear pit bulls? I must've missed that one.


108 posted on 11/24/2006 10:21:58 PM PST by newzjunkey
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To: newzjunkey
My reply was about personal responsibility. “Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.” George Bernard Shaw.

As for an Amendment, how about the Fourth? Leave my property alone.
109 posted on 11/24/2006 10:44:21 PM PST by endthematrix ("If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons.")
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To: solosmoke

You are sooooo right.

I would add that people on this forum will see through the MSM when they have a series negative stories about President Bush, but stories about a dog are not questioned.

And please don't say, "IT'S FOR THE CHIIIIILDRENNNNN"


110 posted on 11/25/2006 3:42:55 AM PST by wolfpat (To connect the dots, you have to collect the dots.)
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To: solosmoke
the media is not a non-profit organization bent on educating

I'd like to find the original link to this story.

A few years ago a New York Post story told of a man who was attacked and severely bitten on the leg by another breed of dog.
He called the local media, but they didn’t find it exciting enough to report.
So a few days later, out of curiosity, he falsely told the same story to the same media, but this time he said that the dog was a pit bull.
Three television news stations and four newspapers sent reporters immediately. link

111 posted on 11/25/2006 6:27:24 AM PST by kanawa (Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
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To: newzjunkey
If you don't like the 4th or 14th, try the 9th.

I must've missed that one.

Sure sounds like it.

112 posted on 11/25/2006 7:35:13 AM PST by ARridgerunner
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To: JZelle

Another FR bump for the breed of peace.


113 posted on 11/25/2006 7:36:37 AM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: solosmoke
Here's a list of the most popular dog breeds in America. As you can see, Pit Bulls are nowhere near the first or second most popular breed. In fact, they're nowhere near the top ten.

So, quite clearly, the number of people killed and maimed by these animals is vastly out of proportion to the number of animals.

Don't be a terrorist sympathizer - stop shilling for the breed of peace.
114 posted on 11/25/2006 7:43:32 AM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: Old_Mil
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/mammals/dog/popular.shtml

(the link)
115 posted on 11/25/2006 7:43:57 AM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: kanawa

LMAO! Dude, that is great. Those three are yours? Beautiful animals.


116 posted on 11/25/2006 9:59:47 AM PST by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: Old_Mil
You're being disingenuous or are just plain ignorant.
Those stats are based on AKC registrations of purebreds.
The only breeds of the "pit bull" type they register are the AmStaff and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier.
They do not even include the American Pit Bull Terrier.
What percentage of "pit bull" types owned in the US do you think are purebred Amstaffs or Staffie Bulls?
Do you intend to have an intelligent discussion of the problem
or are you just another fanatic on the blind hate bandwagon?
117 posted on 11/25/2006 11:46:47 AM PST by kanawa (Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
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To: maxwell
Glad you liked it. I had great fun doing it.
I was laughing and grinning so much my cheeks were hurting.
The white/red fellow, Sam, is the only one of the three that I own.
118 posted on 11/25/2006 11:53:19 AM PST by kanawa (Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
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To: Old_Mil

Not only is Kanawa correct about that list being from the AKC, which doesn't acknowledge the pit bull as a breed, but if Los Angeles animal shelter kills 6,000 pit bulls alone each year, there must be a pretty large number of them. They do adopt them out also.

Look at numbers from the UKC and ADBA combined with shelter statistics and you will see they far outnumber most breeds. Currently they represent about 10% of the entire population of dogs, big and small. That is a pretty large chunk considering the AKC alone registers 150 different breeds and that number jumps to twice that many when counting the UKC.


119 posted on 11/25/2006 7:36:26 PM PST by solosmoke
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To: solosmoke
I just received this...
Pit bull birth control free for owners Friday

Spaying or neutering of pit bulls will be free Friday at a clinic sponsored by the Humane Society of Southern Arizona. The ongoing "Payday for Pit Bulls" program has assisted owners of 231 pit bulls in obtaining the birth control for their dogs.

Take your pit bull to the City Council office at 4300 S. Park Ave. before 7 a.m. for registration. The dogs will be transported free to the Humane Society clinic, 3450 N. Kelvin Blvd., for the procedure. Pets will be returned to the council office between 4 and 4:30 p.m. that day. Pets should not be fed after 8 the previous evening. Water is all right anytime.

The program includes free vaccinations, identification microchips, dog food and toys and $20 cash for participating pet owners. Call 321-3701 or visit www.hssaz.org for more information. link

My first reaction to this is positive.
Particularly in light of this info...
Sex of dog -
Though not possible to determine the sex of all the dogs involved in fatalities from 1965, a survey of the sex of the dogs involved in the last 6 years (Jan. 2000 thru Dec. 2005) reveal that overwhelmingly the dogs involved in fatal attacks are males. In the fatal attacks during this six year period, over 91% of these cases a male dog was involved, (i.e. either a single male dog or a male dog accompanied by other males and/or female dogs).

Reproductive status of dog (intact vs. altered)-
As with the sex of the dog, it was not possible to determine the reproductive status of all the dogs involved in fatal attacks dating back to 1965, but an examination of the dogs involved in fatal attacks from Jan. 2000 thru Dec. 2005, reveal that the overwhelming majority of dogs involved were unaltered.Of the fatalities during this 6 year period, 92% of the dogs involved were unaltered (not spayed or neutered). link

I'm reasonably sure these stats also reflect those involving non-fatal attacks.
120 posted on 11/25/2006 8:05:45 PM PST by kanawa (Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
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