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"COLD CASE" - TWA FLIGHT 800 Movement in D.C. on FBI cover-up
World Net Daily.com ^ | August 17, 2006 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 08/21/2006 8:19:46 PM PDT by AnimalLover

Serious movement in D.C. – and if I hadn't been there, I would not have believed it.

For several months Joan Wire and her daughter have been trying to secure an appointment with a highly effective government official we'll simply call Mr. Washington. Joan Wire is the stalwart wife of Mike Wire. Mike is the storied "man on the bridge," the single most critical eyewitness in the saga of TWA Flight 800, the 747 that was inexplicably blown out of the sky on the night of July 17, 1996.

The CIA built its notorious zoom-climb animation around Mike's position on the Beach Lane Bridge in Westhampton. The FBI then used this animation to discredit all the eyewitnesses. To make Wire's story work to its advantage, however, the CIA had to disregard what Mike actually told the FBI and fully fabricate a second FBI interview with Mike.

The CIA likely chose Wire because as a Philadelphia area millwright he would have less influence and less access to the media than the many of the wealthy vacationers in the Hamptons who had seen what Wire saw.

In one of those providential moments, when the Wires called to tell me they had secured an appointment, I was hanging out with my 50 or so closest relatives at our rent-a-compound in the un-Hyannis honky-tonk town of Seaside Park, N.J. The Wires were just about an hour way. On the night of July 26, they came over for dinner. On the morning of July 27, we hooked up at the Chesapeake House on I-95 and carpooled into D.C. together.

On the way down, we voiced our shared expectation that Mr. Washington would usher us into his office, listen to us politely for 15 minutes, fake some emergency, pat us on our heads, tell us he'd look into it and send us on our way.

As it turned out, Mr. Washington ushered us into his office at 11 a.m., listened to us more than politely, and at 1:30 p.m., after two and a half intense hours, I stood up and announced that I had family obligations back in New Jersey and had to go. Joining us for that entire period was Ms. Virginia, Washington's chief intelligence aide. They were both all ears.

We began by showing them the eyewitness section of the video, "Silenced," which I had put on DVD primarily for this occasion, never suspecting that I would be the one showing it. Mike Wire then elaborated on his own role. When he spoke, no one doubted him. Although there were 270 others who saw what Wire had seen, his testimony alone is enough to convince the unbelieving. The more-than-solid, 6-foot 6-inch Army veteran has a no-nonsense air that nicely grounded everything he and I said.

For my part, I connected the political dots: the players, the motivation, the rough logic, the ad hoc decisions and the likely connection to Bojinka, now much again in the news, and Sept. 11. None of this shocked our listeners. They had had their own indirect contact with the players who form something of a Clinton shadow government in exile. These players are now publicly contributing to certain 2006 congressional candidates in the hope of securing power anew, power enough to shut down any future investigation.

We also discussed Sandy Berger's motivation in rifling the archives and shredding documents, the most under-investigated story since TWA Flight 800 itself. I speculated that Berger destroyed a Bojinka summary, which I know for a fact President Clinton had read and annotated in the late summer of 1996. The incriminating part of Bojinka, at least as it related to 9-11, I explained, was not the bombing of the planes, but the threat within to use planes as bombs. No one looked at me like I was crazy.

Mr. Washington was fully versed not only in Bojinka but also in the threat of its architect, Ramzi Yousef, to blow up a plane in the summer of 1996 to throw his New York City trial for Bojinka into mistrial. I could not verify that Yousef was responsible, but I could verify that he claimed to have been.

Toward the end of the session, Mr. Washington all but apologized to us for the state of government today. "It's not supposed to be like this," he lamented.

That provoked in me my "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" moment. On the up side, I encouraged him, just one night earlier the Wires and I had been plotting strategy over hamburgers with my siblings while various little nieces and nephew swarmed around our picnic table. The next day, we drove down, joking how absurd it was that three average Joes like ourselves had wangled a high-level meeting on a story that could dwarf Watergate if broken. "Is this a great country or what?" I laughed, but I meant it.

The Wires and I have taken this story about as far as our information and influence can carry us. Everything we know we have already said. Whether Mr. Washington can take it further I do not know. He could surely use a little help from the New York Times or others in the media or others in government. This may never happen, but then again, I never thought this meeting would have happened either.


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To: PhiKapMom

*Before* the Clinton Circus came to town, I used to always assume that when things were hushed, it was due to a covert investigation taking place. During and even afterward, if it happened during the three ring circus, it was and remained a cover-up.

Thanks for reminding us of the covert angle.


61 posted on 08/22/2006 6:18:10 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL ( **Hunter-Tancredo-Weldon-Hayworth 4 President** I get it, Glenn.)
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To: Northern Yankee

Oh...the wake turbulance one?


62 posted on 08/22/2006 6:20:11 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL ( **Hunter-Tancredo-Weldon-Hayworth 4 President** I get it, Glenn.)
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To: cyborg
I read every single post before I decided to reply myself.
The TWA 800 explosion crash investigation has been pushed and pulled, and muddied and twisted until it's become almost like one of those "US bombed WTC" stories.
I've read many articles with interest, and I've watched the various TV documentaries about TWA 800. My opinion on this tragedy has been sort of like making a quilt, one square at a time.

I believe that the gov't covered up a terrorist act. Experts are far more knowledgeable than I, but the Clinton coverup team's biggest gaffe is sitting in a airport hangar. Why reassemble and keep the wreckage all this time for any other purpose but to say, "See! See! it's all right here and you can look for yourself"? It's smoke and mirrors, it is a pathetic metal hulk of lies, it is proof positive of the Clinton cowardice.

One other item that interests me is the report of two ME men renting a boat and slip, but only using it for the one night. After that, they disappeared. Does anyone recall that part of it?
63 posted on 08/22/2006 6:32:35 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Calpernia
G'morning, Calpernia!

I just don't recall the details, but I think it was a container that would hold a weapon that was found. And I think it was "explained" as coming from a military exercise.
64 posted on 08/22/2006 6:34:37 AM PDT by Cagey
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

I think so...


65 posted on 08/22/2006 6:35:53 AM PDT by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: Cagey

I know I was in the car and I remember hearing: NY, buried on a beach, rocket launchers. It was after the TWA incident and that is all I can remember.


66 posted on 08/22/2006 6:45:08 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: AnimalLover
Lets keep the pressure on so the case doesn't too cold. I didn't believe it was terrorism at the time even though I had been in the World Trade Center when it was bombed in 1993. The more I read about it the more I now believe it was terrorism and the Clintonistas have been and are covering it up.
67 posted on 08/22/2006 6:47:16 AM PDT by kevinm13 (The Main Stream Media is dead! Fox News Channel Rocks!)
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To: quantim

Saw a Discovery channel on this last week. Now they are claiming that a short in the wiring to the fuel pump caused the explosion by sending high voltage into the tank.
This seems to be a different explanation from the original one.


68 posted on 08/22/2006 6:54:53 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: PhiKapMom

Where did you get information that the Exploded spent time in Pakistan?


69 posted on 08/22/2006 6:57:23 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: MindBender26
As a matter of fact, pilots know with the post-explosion CG shift, zoom climb is not speculation, it is required physical event in this crash.

In 10 years not one 747 pilot has ever agreed that shifting the CofG back as far as it was shifted would cause a zoom climb. They have said that it would cause the wing to stall...

BTW "flight idle" is still a good deal of thrust

Not according to Boeing... and it is not "flight idle" but a complete idle mode. According to Boeing, when signal is lost from the flight deck, the engines immediately return to idle. No thrust to speak of at all.

If the aircraft had traded forward momentum for altitude it would not have crashed into the ocean where it did... it would have crashed miles closer to the initiating event location... it didn't... ergo, no zoom climb. I've done the math... right here on FR.

70 posted on 08/22/2006 7:24:52 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!")
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To: ishabibble

I recall that part of it. You're very thorough and not given to emotion it seems. Very good post!


71 posted on 08/22/2006 7:28:29 AM PDT by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

From a local law enforcement type and his roommate was from Pakistan. He spent according to what I was told almost six months in Pakistan altogether.


72 posted on 08/22/2006 9:01:45 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (God Bless America and the men and women who serve in our military!)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

Same here with Clinton! This time I think it is the investigation because a lot of things have happened here to make me believe in the last few months it was hushed because of an ongoing investigation.


73 posted on 08/22/2006 9:03:42 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (God Bless America and the men and women who serve in our military!)
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To: PhiKapMom

It has been well advertised that the roomate was Paki. But I have never heard this other claim before. However, I would like to see more concrete evidence than hearsay though.

Thanks for your help.


74 posted on 08/22/2006 9:31:21 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: rlmorel

Ask Jack with an e-mail. He has responded to my e-mails in the past.


75 posted on 08/22/2006 9:36:31 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Only stupid people would vote for McCain, Warner, Hagle, Snowe, Graham, or any RINO)
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To: kevinm13

There's an old FR thread called "Batting a Thousand" if you can find it.....it's based on a NYT column in late '93 detailing what happened with WTC'93 and the fact that a certain fedgov agency had an informant within the terrorist group who warned them repeatedly what was about to come down yet nothing was done to stop that heinous act.


76 posted on 08/22/2006 10:08:57 AM PDT by american spirit
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
You need to be a special kind of idiot to believe that the U.S. military would take part in this sort of coverup. Leave us out of this, please.

As to whether I am a special idiot or your garden variety can be debated, but it is a matter of public record that the NTSB was prohibited to investigate the case and only US military (Navy) divers were allowed to search the wreckage and later house the wreckage of the plane. The plane's parts were prohibited from public inspection.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the US military was up to its ears in this.

Have a nice day.

77 posted on 08/22/2006 10:20:46 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum
The plane's parts were prohibited from public inspection.

Crashscene debris is usually open to the public? do they sell tickets, or can you get in for free?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the US military was up to its ears in this.

Oddly, enough I was stationed on the one the two navy salvage ships involved some years after the event. The CO, the Command Master Diver, and some of the more senior divers on board had all been involved with the recovery of debris.

I'll take my in-person face to face evaluation of the basic human decency of those divers over your crackaddled keyboard punditry.

The only thing worse then a conspiracy addict is a conspiracy addict who tries to drag the U.S. Military into his paranoid delusions.

Any of you tinfoilers want to drag out the old "well maybe the U.S. Navy accidently shot the plane down" routine? Or has that old canard been too thoroughly discredited?

This whole thread is straight out of the loonybin.
78 posted on 08/22/2006 11:19:02 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: Swordmaker
>In 10 years not one 747 pilot has ever agreed that shifting the CofG back as far as it was shifted would cause a zoom climb. They have said that it would cause the wing to stall...

I don't know what conspiracy posters you are listening to, but in a climb instituted by CG shift aft, it is not a rotational force caused by elevators, but rather a weight shift. Does not stall until has run out of the forward momentum potential delta. Claim about "no 747 pilot" is simply bogus.

>>BTW "flight idle" is still a good deal of thrust

>Not according to Boeing... and it is not "flight idle" but a complete idle mode. According to Boeing, when signal is lost from the flight deck, the engines immediately return to idle. No thrust to speak of at all.

I'm sorry, but is is becoming obvious that you are not a pilot, at least not one with turbine time. If you do not understand the power necessary to keep a fanjet engines running (at the minimum speed that they will stay running while inflight called "flight idle") by moving sufficient air through the compressor turbine wheels to keep burners lit, and the necessary residual thrust created by the fan and the EPRs at that engine speed, then no need for further discussion.

Jet engines in flight produce tremendous residual thrust. In some A/C it is 60% of rated power although 50 to 30% is more typical! Hardest thing for a propeller airplane pilot to learn how to do in a jet is slow down in enough time to get down (to a lower altitude/prepare for gear/flap extension.)

I would love to see your mathematical computation proving it was hit by a missile.
79 posted on 08/22/2006 11:48:44 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
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To: ishabibble
One other item that interests me is the report of two ME men renting a boat and slip, but only using it for the one night. After that, they disappeared. Does anyone recall that part of it?

Remember it ... hell, I've asked the same question from time to time in this forum. This story was circulating within a day or so of the plane plummeting into the Atlantic off the south shore of LI. Nothing ever seemed to come of it ... thanks, I'm sure, to the FBI agent in charge Kelstram (sp?), it was shortly after his visit to Washington that the empty fuel tank explosion theory got pushed to the fore front as probable cause. I think Kelstram was told in no uncertain terms, to move his investigation away from the missile/terrorism theory.

80 posted on 08/22/2006 12:18:27 PM PDT by BluH2o
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