Pit bulls shot to death after attack on cow (sad picture of mother cow, protecting it's calf)

ajc.com ^ | 05/24/06 | Mark Davis

[Candor7]

Of course you realize that many liberals are reincarneted as pit bulls.

It is the only reason that even approaches a form of logic as to why Pitt Bulls should be banned.

Here in the West dogs are much more than a food source. There is a culture of dogs and humans working together in animal husbandry, transportation, and security.

More to the point though, ask yourself as to why people who do not have the skills to control pittbulls actually want them? It is because our society is experiencing social pressures which make people insecure. When a person lives in fear, there is a disregard for the skills associated with having an animal that can get out of control.

So lets limit freedom and liberty more, lets ban pitt bulls , guns, and shovels. The fresh corpses of those who die when attacked by the forces of fear, crime, and who otherwise woould be free, can be used as sources for organ donations!

And for all the 99.9 % of pittbull owners who DO successfully control their animals, well, we can confiscate their dogs, fatten them up and send export them as Pitt Bull protein. Yummy!

And the great culture of close work between man's best friend, and the associated skills so prevalent in the Americas , can end just like that, as we shift over to a more liberal human approach where no one should have pitt bulls because a few unskilled, fearful, desperate individuals cannot control their animals. Blame the dog, not the owner.

Thtas not the way the Inuit do it. When a dog goes wild the owner is blamed. I wonder why they have evolved that system of responsibility over thousands of years? I guess they just don't like to eat dog.

[GMMAC]

I wouldn't dismiss the likelihood of there being numerous Chinese communist agents/spies active on FR whose intent, beyond gathering info, is to promote totalitarianism & as much acrimony & related disruption as possible.

In now almost 5 years here, it's amazing how often I've seen what seems to be more than fair indication of same.

[Candor7]

The worlds most dangerous dog is NOT the pitt bull, but it is the dog of the Inuit.

Ask any one who has trained dogs. The Inuit dogs test their master's authority continuously. If a Mahlemute attacks a human, it doesn't just grab and hang on, it goes for the throat to rip the juglar.

Yet these dogs have not been banned and there is no talk of banning them. There are many more attacks by these Inuit type dogs on humans than pitt bulls make.

The Inuit dogs are fine animals, but they would eat a man when they are hungry. I think they should be banned TOO?

THE MOST DANGEROUS DOG IN THE WORLD:

[Candor7]

No, the breed should be made extinct.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

So much for biodiversity. We could just export all our pittbulls to North Korea. We would make a fortune:

[Candor7]

Candor7: As a matter of fact the picture of the child you posted showed a single bite injury where a dog had grabbed the child.

BJ's: Your are sick - literally - if you look at that childs face and minimize her injuries as you have.

Its obvious that you have little exposure to the real world around us, the world of fang and claw, nor do you understand what a serious dog injury looks like, the clamp and hold injusy this little girl had is not live threatening if treated quickly and properly.

Look at this, this was not caused by a pit bull but by a bull mastiff and it was done by a dog that rips to kill rather than clamp and hang. These injuries were fatal, yet Bull Mastiffs are not subject to a ban novement, this is because the owners were responsible, not the dogs. I assure you that there are much worse throat lacerations done by dogs against humans and pitt bull injuries are relatively tame in comparison:

You might ask why the seriousness of the Bull Mastiff attack on Diane Whipple has not resulted in a banning of Bull Mastiffs? Wasn't Diane Whipple beautiful or cute enough for liberal sensibilities in San Francisco?

Every one has a duty to protect themselves and their children. I guess you are not quite prepared to observe that duty for yourself and would want the state to do it for you. Maybe you need a speed dialer and a home right next to a police station.

Tragedy visits every one of us in our lifetimes at least once, some are prepared and others are not.Like many liberal weenies you want the state to do the dirty work of individual , free citizens who value liberty and quite bravely assume the duties of their own protection. I live in a place where bears come down from the mountain and mosey right through my yard. Coyotes pass through as well as deer come right up to our window and look in. Whenever a wild animal gets out of hand, I run quick and call the police?

Yeah right.

I call Benelli in my closet and he pumps up and helps me right away.

Perhaps you need to jump into America further and become one.

[Candor7]

You are a smart guy to know your own limitations and chosing not to owen a Pitt Bull. Many owners are not so savvy.

Having a dog that can really injure a person or another animal carries a burden of reponsibility and expertise. I admire the INuit for how they discharge that responsibility with dogs which are much more agressive and strong than Pitt Bulls ever will be.

[Richard Kimball]

I've owned a German Shepard-Doberman mix and my last dog was part Malamute, Chow and Wolf. I don't own a pit bull for the same reason I don't own a Chihuaua. They're ugly little b@stards and you can't trust them.

[GMMAC]

Personally, I wouldn't want any of the dogs you've described and, in fact, haven't owned a dog of any kind for over 40 years*.

The point is:
Do we extend this same right of free choice to others; provided they're prepared to assume proper responsibility/accountability for any negative consequences of their choices while doing whatever is reasonably necessary to avoid any problems?

If so, we're authentic philosophical conservatives and standing with both all who opt for choices we may not personally agree with as well as with the 99+% of owners of all breeds/types of dogs who never cause anyone any trouble whatsoever.

I really can't understand what these statist control-freaks' problem is?
Plus, it's not as if any of the 'pit bull' fanciers on this thread have advocated doing anything other than throwing the literal book at irresponsible dog-owners of any breed/type.

* ... but maybe, once we're retired & even though I know numerous very well-behaved 'pit bull' type dogs, a Golden Lab?
Until then, given our free choice, we'll opt for cats!

[BJungNan]

Candor7: As a matter of fact the picture of the child you posted showed a single bite injury where a dog had grabbed the child.

If there is no one on here that does not think you are sick for that comment, the FR is an insane place. Your trulty are sick in your position. Let's end the conversation. It scares me that there are people in this world like you and I really do not want to be that close to you.

I assure you, that girl, her parents, anyone that loves her, and anyone looking at that picture would not excuse away as a "single bite" the trauma that has occured to her face.

Either you are just trying to have some (sick) fun on here and do not believe what you are saying or you are one twisted person. Seriously. You need to seek counseling.

[GMMAC]

Again, you can't defend your position with either facts or logic - only insults & emotion!

I asked you about the impact of your views on peoples' rights & you ignored me, posted more sniveling and seemingly expected no one to notice you'd once more ducked providing an answer while they reached for their hankies.

Sheesh !!!
Ann Coulter wrote an entire book on your preferred style of openly dishonest weaseling !!!

Agenda-driven pro-totalitarians have one helluva lot of nerve beginning any comment on FR with "If there is no one on here that does not think ...."

How presumptuous! - if not outright delusional! - to imagine you speak for anyone other than yourself and a very small handful of similar statist wannabe thugs !!!

Given that you're plainly no conservative - or at least not one intellectually capable of defending a repeatedly stated position utilizing reason and/or recognized conservative tenets - take your disingenuous & strident girlie-man whining to DU.

[proud_yank]

Again, if you call changing the subject legitimate debate, then you belong over at DU and not on FR.

If you want to talk about guns, I am sure there is a thread for that. In this thread, however, we are talking about pitbulls.

I was simply following your logic and checking for consistenty of beliefs & rationale, err, I mean lack-there-of. A trait common in DUmmyland.

[BJungNan]

I asked you about the impact of your views on peoples' rights & you ignored me...

I did not ignore you. I said I was exercising my right to petition our local government to ban pitbulls and other vicious breeds. And, I will add, I have been successful in that for the last four months our city staff has been defining exactly what breeds will be banned within the city limits and also the exact language of the ordinance.

And when that ordinance comes up for a vote, which it will, it will be 5 to 0 in favor of the ban. Most will cheer, a few will bemoan not being allowed to have a pitbull (and other breeds) within the city limits.

What else did you want to know about rights my view of your rights? You have the right to petition your government too. In fact, I dare you to bring it up in the city where you live. Ask you city council to take action to make sure pitbulls are never banned in your city.

Let me know how it comes out.

[BJungNan]

Agenda-driven pro-totalitarians have one helluva lot of nerve beginning any comment on FR with "If there is no one on here that does not think ...." How presumptuous! - if not outright delusional!

I asked you if you want to put it to a poll of the FR membership. I'm willing to see if they agree with me or if they agree with you. Are you willing to see how other on FR feel about it? I even gave you the poll question. You did not reply.

[BJungNan]

take your disingenuous & strident girlie-man whining to DU.

Sorry, I do not go away that easily. And instead of only banging out my position on the keyboard, I am actually getting a local ordinance through to ban pitbulls and other breeds known or thought to be vicious.

[kanawa]

you are sick for that comment...
anyone looking at that picture would not excuse away as a "single bite" the trauma that has occured to her face...
Your trulty are sick in your position...
It scares me that there are people in this world like you...
you are one twisted person....
You need to seek counseling...

You really need to lighten up Francis.
No one is attempting to excuse away anything here,
except for you in your attempt to justify draconian government interference
in the lives of law-abiding responsible owners.
And doing it on the back of that poor girl too.
Go change your panties and GROW UP!

[kanawa]

And when that ordinance comes up for a vote, which it will, it will be 5 to 0 in favor of the ban.

No doubt, if you're posting from communist China...

Help Find New Homes for China's Unwanted Dogs

Imagine being told you have ten days to get rid of your dog, simply because it’s too big.

Banned in their home country of China simply for their size, Collies, Terriers, Australian Shepherds, Dalmatians, Saint Bernards, and even Irish Setters are just some of the dog breeds outlawed in Beijing. Once illegal dogs are seized, they are often abandoned by their owners who simply buy new ones....more

So where are you posting from?
Or is it just a BS story?

[GMMAC]

If you happen to live within a local jurisdiction with lots of other knee-jerk nanny-staters like yourself, this may not be too hard.

Getting one initially passed is light years easier than keeping one on the books.
Ask your fellow statists in Toledo Ohio:
Seems their State Supreme Court couldn't reconcile Toledo's with a State Constitution which enshrines individual liberties.

With all the other problems in the world today, one really has to wonder about the motivations of anyone who'd make such a minuscule percentage of dogs - or, more accurately 'irresponsible dog-owners' - such a high personal priority?

Unless, of course, they'd been instructed to promote as much acrimony & disruption both here & elsewhere as possible?

BTW, arguing black to white won't change reality.
Anyone who reading this thread knows full well you've never answered any of the issues raised with respect to the personal liberties of the 99+% of dog-owners who've done nothing whatsoever to warrant your personal unreasoned campaign against their pets.

[proud_yank]

Sorry, I do not go away that easily. And instead of only banging out my position on the keyboard, I am actually getting a local ordinance through to ban pitbulls and other breeds known or thought to be vicious.

Hey COOL! Way to go champ!! Way to FORCE your views on the rest of us!

Thanks to folks such as yourself, I can look forward to owning a beautiful toy-poodle someday. Assuming of course, you draw the line somewhere before then.

When you're done with that you can start pushing for a ban on guns, SUV's, and pickups in the name of 'public safety'.

I'd start off with guns first, personally, since people don't 'need' them and they kill. Start with .50-cal rifles, then work your way to 'assault rifles' (even that in the US that is a BS term). People will start to get complacent as your statist cause progresses. Once that is completed, start in on handguns.

When you get to the cars that people don't 'need', remember to mention Global Warming™ REPEATEDLY, in addition to screaming about how an SUV hitting a Smart Car can potentially KILL everyone in it. This might be tricky, many libs seem to like their SUV's too.

For help with your dog campaign, I'd contact PeTA first. They'd embrace your ideology! (Also, if you get arrested for something illegal, they might even post bail!)

For guns, Rebecca Peters & the UN would be great help. Through the UN, you'll also get the help of various totalitarian regimes who have handled these kinds of situations before.

For cars, Al Gore is certainly an ally. He even has a new movie out that he might graciously let you distribute for a nominal fee.

All the best!
-Proud Yank

[Candor7]

It scares me that there are people in this world like you and I really do not want to be that close to you.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

And when the Sh!t goes down who you gonna call, ghostbusters? Nope you will call men like me to do your dirty work for you.

Let's end the conversation.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Whats wrong, knowing the truth turn you off? Good luck in your liberal aspirations to devolve Liberty, you will get no help from me.

You need to seek counseling.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I do get counselling, have for years, and how did you guess? My counsellors are the founding fathers and patriots of the United States of America. I can share their phone numebr with you if you like.

would not excuse away as a "single bite" the trauma that has occured to her face.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I am not excusing the injury away, I am showing you that you are fixated on something that could have been much worse. Get over it. The little girl was unfortunate to have been injured, but who was protecting her? What were the circumstances surrounding her injury? Notice how you said nothing about this. And the parents who love her, where were they when she was attacked? DOes the girl have a father in her household, or is she the daughter of a single mom, who thinks she can raise children without a man to protect them? I really do not want to be that close to you.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Ahhhh my heart is so broken, and here I thought we could REALLY get to know each other .

[kanawa]

I have been successful in that for the last four months our city staff has been defining exactly what breeds will be banned within the city limits and also the exact language of the ordinance.

After searching the The city council records of Palos Verdes Estates
back to June 2005 and then double checking the records from this year,
I find no mention of any public hearings, no staff reports, no agenda items and...
no communications from the public regarding any matter involving dogs.

Please explain this contradiction or I will be forced to make an assumption about you.

Sounds like a nice place...

The City of Palos Verdes Estates is often described as an oasis within Los Angeles County. Sweeping views of the Pacific Ocean coupled with abundant naturally preserved open spaces translate into a community where residents find rest and solace from the urban environment beyond City borders. In a region of the country known for its concrete jungle and desert climate, the lush open spaces of Palos Verdes Estates are truly a treasure.

Do you have much trouble with dogs attacks?
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