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The Rush To Nuclear War With Iran [retread troll zotted]
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Posted on 04/12/2006 11:03:38 AM PDT by bj1998

Is Your Entire Country On Crack?

Speaking as a Canadian who is fond of judicious language, I feel that this situation deserves careful and measured thought. So let me just open with:

Is your entire f*cking country on crack??? Are all you Americans out of your cotton picking minds??? Are you completely freaking delusional? Homicidal? Psychotic? Have you lost any shred of a moral compass? WHAT IN THE NAME OF JESUS H. CHRIST ON A CRUTCH IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!!!!

Let me offer up one small datum which may completely change the equation for you: According to the CIA (If they have any credibility left.) Iran is at least five years away from a nuclear weapon.

Five years.

Five years is time for diplomacy to accomplish a hell of a lot.

I would also point out that the Atomic Energy Commission, various other international bodies and other inspections have essentially found no sign that Iran is even working on a nuclear weapon.

The only actual evidence that Iran has anything close to nuclear weapons technology is blueprints *that the CIA gave to them!*

Have you all forgotten that the evidence on Iraq was spectacularly wrong? Have you all ignored the fact that it was fabricated? Why then are we going down the exact same road of stage managed, fabricated pseudo-evidence and wild-ass hysteria?

What is wrong with you people?

This entire crisis has been manufactured, and has been years in the making.

Stop and think back five years. What did we have five years ago? A moderate reformist Iranian government making overtures to the United States, rebuilding its relationship with Europe, liberalizing its society, and modernizing its economy.

9/11 comes along, the Iranians are overflowing with sympathy. Mass candlelit vigils are held in Tehran. Iran offers aid and cooperation.

Iran hates the Taliban who have executed Iranian diplomats and massacred Afghan Shiites. Iran hates Saddam Hussein. Iran hates Al Qaeda which is a Sunni Fundamentalist organization which declares Shiites infidels and subhuman.

Iran shares its intelligence with America - they even arrested Taliban members and handed them over to US custody.

So we've got the Iranian spring; things are finally going to sort out.

And what happens? The Bush administration rebuffs every Iranian overture and does its best to instigate a cold war. Afghanistan is invaded, and suddenly, the Iranians are looking at American troops and allies on their eastern border. Then Iraq is invaded, and American troops and allies on their western border. Then bases and treaties in Uzbekistan, and whoops, there's more American troops and allies on the northern border. The Persian Gulf is filled with American warships and carrier fleets.

Now the Iranians are surrounded. And the tough talk is constant. Iran is part of the 'Axis of Evil' and Americans tell each other "Baghdad, humph, real men go to Tehran." Essentially, America has been threatening military action against Iran for the last five years, and has surrounded the country on every side with troops, bases and allies.

American aircraft invade Iranian airspace regularly, American special forces undertake operations inside Iran and Americans regularly accuse Iranians of interference in Iraq.

Dick Cheney pontificates about Israel bombing Iran *after he has just handed over to Israel the long range bombers and bunker busting bombs* required to do the job.

Meanwhile, the United States undertakes economic warfare against Iran, interfering with its business dealings with third party countries, trying to scuttle a pipeline deal with India, and it goes on and on. The hysteria about the Iranians nuclear program is just more of the same.

Now how in God's Bloody Name do you think the Iranians are going to respond to that. Should they concede the nuclear program, abandon their pipeline project? If so, its not going to do them any good. America will just seek more concessions. Each surrender will be met by new demands. This isn't hard to figure out. It's exactly what Bush did with Iraq.

Perhaps overtures, good will gestures, trying to act like a peaceful nation. Did all those things, doesn't matter. The Bush administration is still on a collision course.

So, the Mullahs are concerned that they're faced with a homicidal crazy state, the Iranian people are scared. When people are scared and faced with an aggressive warmongering power which keeps threatening to attack them, continually trespasses on its borders and is undertaking economic warfare... who the hell are they going to elect? Ahminajad may be a crazy bastard, but you assholes, you utter assholes did every thing you could to elect him short of donating 50,000 Diebold machines and mailing his party the trapdoor codes.

So, having pursued a psychotically aggressive course, you've backed Iran into a corner, and engineered a regime which refuses to back further.

And *you* are the victims in all this? *You* are the ones under threat? It's *self defense*????

And of course, you goofily believe that you can just bomb or nuke Iran with impunity?

Holy Microeconomic Theory Batman! Iran's nuclear facilities are distributed across the country and in hardened sites near population centers. So any strike that cripples a significant portion of Iran's nuclear capacity will inevitably be so large and kill so many people that its going to be tantamount to inviting full scale war.

Think about that. Iran is 70 million people, an area five times the size of Iraq, not disemboweled by 12 years of sanctions and air raids. On the other side of the coin, America's ground army is busted and tied down in Iraq. There's no troops to throw at a major Iranian military force, so you have to hope that bombing will do the trick. The occupation forces in Iraq are in occupation and not territorial defense mode. And Iraq is 65% Shiites who are probably not going to be happy that you're blowing up their brother Shiites. Meanwhile, the Strait of Hormuz is so narrow that sinking one supertanker will block it indefinitely, and Iran borders the straight on three sides. Block Hormuz and any naval groups inside the Persian Gulf are trapped there. Any naval groups outside the Persian Gulf are trapped outside. Forget about any oil coming out of the Persian Gulf from Iraq, Kuwait, Quatar, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia or the UAE. Think about what

In short its so appallingly stupid and colossally risky, that I can see why your idiots in charge might consider using nuclear weapons. But throw a few nukes around and see how the rest of the world reacts? Every dirt-wad country is going to be mortgaging the Presidential palace to get its own nuclear deterrent from Pakistan or North Korea. How do you feel about the Indonesian Bomb, the Malaysian Bomb, the Thai Bomb, the Myanmar Bomb, the Algerian Bomb, the Saudi Bomb, the Egyptian Bomb, the Brazilian Bomb, the Argentine Bomb, the Venezuelan Bomb, the Cuban Bomb, the Japanese Bomb, the Canadian frigging Bomb. You are no longer trustworthy. North Korea, always borderline psychotic is going to be mondo difficult to deal with. You've just guaranteed yourself a full fledged nuclear arms race, balls to the wall with both Russia and China, and quite possibly Europe.

And of course there's no guarantee that the rest of the world will allow this. Do you want an armed standoff with the Russians. Suppose they 'loan' their finest interceptor jets, pilots and radar systems to the Iranians... Do you want to meet *that* on a bombing raid? And if you do meet *that* what are you going to do when half your planes are blasted out of the skies conducting an illegal raid on civilian populations in a foreign country? Cry? Send a harsh note?

Launch a first strike?

What happens if the Chinese decide to hold Taiwan and South Korea hostage? What do you do? Back off Iran or sell out East Asia?

Hell, in that kind of standoff, someone sneezes and its not going to matter who launched a first strike.

Or would you like an economic standoff, say with Europe, or with Japan and China. Suppose that the Europeans or Chinese decide "screw the worldwide depression, you assholes are just too dangerous to have around." Trillions of dollars get dumped on the market, loans get called in, the bottom drops out of your dollar, its thousand per cent inflation and no manufacturing base and your own trade embargoes. So much for America.

I mean, its morally wrong, its stupid on every level. And yet here you are discussing why maybe you should get out in front of the Republicans on this, or planning your surrender to Bush. Why are you even discussing this?

What is wrong with America?


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To: USNBandit
You need to wake up and stop smoking so much Hersh.

Stop hershing his buzz.

181 posted on 04/12/2006 12:53:39 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("I was in such a hurry to climb that tree, I punched a squirrel.")
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
I believe some in Canada, and the EU want the USA to get hit by a nuke, seeing their anti-America / Hate America rhetoric.

Maybe so, but I don't think those types have thought it through. If they had, and they were honest, they'd know that without the US this nutty Iranian President would be threatining Ottawa with nuclear devastation if they didn't install Sharia.

182 posted on 04/12/2006 12:53:47 PM PDT by Tallguy (When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
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To: bj1998
So you want to "Flame On?" How about this???


183 posted on 04/12/2006 12:57:59 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: AngryJawa

You Da Man!


184 posted on 04/12/2006 1:00:07 PM PDT by Tallguy (When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
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To: loreldan
Tell me. what kind of "moderate reformist" government imprisons, kills, and tortures its pro democracy students who's only crime was a protest calling for liberalization of its government? Is this what you call a "liberal society"? Kind of a broad definition don't you think?

He probably doesn't know any better; he comes from a country where they put you in jail if you preach the wrong Bible verses on the radio.

185 posted on 04/12/2006 1:21:09 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("I was in such a hurry to climb that tree, I punched a squirrel.")
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To: bj1998

Adios cucaracha!


186 posted on 04/12/2006 1:23:41 PM PDT by Ptarmigan (Ptarmigans will rise again!)
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To: bj1998
"I would also point out that the Atomic Energy Commission, various other international bodies and other inspections have essentially found no sign that Iran is even working on a nuclear weapon.



Ahamad Alavi, head of the Astan Qods Razavi museum, holds a sample of enriched uranium during a ceremony to mark Iran's successful production of enriched uranium in Mashad, 924 km (574 miles) east of Tehran April 11, 2006.

Maybe the IAEA should check out Google Newss
187 posted on 04/12/2006 1:51:50 PM PDT by DocRock
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To: bj1998

You have really made me think... I may change my whole outlook regarding this subject. It was truly a miracle I came upon this when I did. Now off to Iran to speak... I could get at least $30,000.

Sincerely,
Bill Clinton

P.S. Don't tell Carter, he'll do it for free.


188 posted on 04/12/2006 1:59:51 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Enforcement: A job Americans would do (a typical Foxette))
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To: bj1998
Is Your Entire Country On Crack?

*************

Is this a rhetorical question?

189 posted on 04/12/2006 2:02:09 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: I see my hands
"Cripes sakes! When was the last time an American's soldiers blood was spilled as a direct result of protecting Canada?"

Anyone who died serving in SAC or any NORAD-tasked unit died while protecting the airspace of both countries. End of story.

190 posted on 04/12/2006 2:24:21 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("I was in such a hurry to climb that tree, I punched a squirrel.")
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Never mind the hilarious idea of Russia putting it's military at the behest of the Iranians. Yeah, they'll just "loan" Iran a few air regiments. Sure they will.

In all seriousness, it wouldn't surprise me if the Russkies show up to the party and the Iranians get some bombs with Cyrillic writing dropped all over their infrastructure.

191 posted on 04/12/2006 2:33:26 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("I was in such a hurry to climb that tree, I punched a squirrel.")
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To: Tallguy

Yeah, the thing people overlook is that Colonel Jessup may have taken a wrong action, but the logic behind that action was 100% flawless. If he'd been less cruel and more honest, or started from the assumption that Santiago was not a weasel, he would be a heroic figure.


192 posted on 04/12/2006 2:37:52 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("I was in such a hurry to climb that tree, I punched a squirrel.")
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To: bj1998
That's right bozo. Nuke em.

Nuke em till they glow..........

Then shoot 'em in the dark........

ONE BIG GLASS ASHTRAY, the epicenter of which is square on Almond-ding's raggedy-a@@ head.

BOOOOO....HOOOOOOOOO.......HOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM

And yet, you'll say "MY GOD MAN, HOW CAN YOU NUKE WOMEN AND CHILDREN, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD??????

And in reply, I naught to say but..................

MMMMMMmmmmmmmmmm Crunchy FROG.

Get ZOTTED, A@@CLOWN

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193 posted on 04/12/2006 3:47:25 PM PDT by roaddog727 (P=3/8 A. or, P=plenty...............)
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To: DocRock
Ahamad Alavi, head of the Astan Qods Razavi museum, holds a sample of enriched uranium

Hey, Ahamad, take some of that out and snort it. It really smells great! It is a gift from Allah. Pass it around to everyone when you are finished. Make sure you save some for Ahmadinejad. He would be ticked if you used it all up.

194 posted on 04/12/2006 4:28:25 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: dynachrome

LOL


195 posted on 04/12/2006 4:30:49 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: bj1998

Bob and Doug say

"You need to watch out for lightning, you hoser."


196 posted on 04/12/2006 5:14:18 PM PDT by JRios1968 (E=mc3...the origin of "friends don't let friends derive drunk.")
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To: bj1998
Hey there nitwit, you better take a look at this thread from Newsmax today. Once Iran gets more centrifuges working they can build nuclear weapons very quickly. We're looking at just a few years before they can build bombs, and because there's no margin for error here that means we have to stop them in the next 18 months. Before you come back here, nitwit, get your facts straight next time.
197 posted on 04/12/2006 5:46:56 PM PDT by carl in alaska ("You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed." - Mt 24:4)
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To: bj1998

Nuke em

ZOT


198 posted on 04/12/2006 5:47:51 PM PDT by vigilante2 (Thank You Veterans)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
Iran hates the Taliban who have executed Iranian diplomats and massacred Afghan Shiites. Iran hates Saddam Hussein. Iran hates Al Qaeda which is a Sunni Fundamentalist organization which declares Shiites infidels and subhuman.
It is irrelevant whether or not they hate the Taliban or Saddam Hussein, the fact of the matter is the Mullahs in Iran hate Israel and the U.S. even more. The state-controlled Iranian Press has repeatedly stated that is fully intends to use its nuclear weapons on Israel without warning. They are working overtime to perfect a delivery system. I think they will have a nuke a whole lot sooner than 5 years.
GeorgefromGeorgia ought to pull his head out of his a$$, but its likely been up there so long it is permanently stuck in that position. I'll bet this clown still wears tie-dyed t'shirts and listens to Joan Baez 8-tracks as he cruises Toronto in his VW minibus.
199 posted on 04/12/2006 5:49:10 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: Tallguy
What most countries and people don't understand is, when you mouth off their bogus rhetoric about how the USA is the only country that has actually used nukes before on Japan, is the fact that we were at war ( WWII ) and we were fighting a enemy that was determined to not surrender and countless more lives would have been killed in the USA had invaded the Japan mainland.
So to all of those countries who condemn the USA for using nukes in the passed ( TO SHUT THE HELL UP , WE WERE AT WAR that JAPAN STARTED. )
The only time the USA will use nukes is if and when we are threatened by another country by nukes.
What this brain dead fruitcake from Canada forgets is ? Iran, and the Islamic extremist WILL use nukes no matter what, whether the people are innocent or not, we are not dealing with a rational foe or enemy here.
We also must protect and help Israel.
200 posted on 04/12/2006 7:32:11 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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