The Rush To Nuclear War With Iran [retread troll zotted]

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[bj1998]

Is Your Entire Country On Crack?

Speaking as a Canadian who is fond of judicious language, I feel that this situation deserves careful and measured thought. So let me just open with:

Is your entire f*cking country on crack??? Are all you Americans out of your cotton picking minds??? Are you completely freaking delusional? Homicidal? Psychotic? Have you lost any shred of a moral compass? WHAT IN THE NAME OF JESUS H. CHRIST ON A CRUTCH IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!!!!

Let me offer up one small datum which may completely change the equation for you: According to the CIA (If they have any credibility left.) Iran is at least five years away from a nuclear weapon.

Five years.

Five years is time for diplomacy to accomplish a hell of a lot.

I would also point out that the Atomic Energy Commission, various other international bodies and other inspections have essentially found no sign that Iran is even working on a nuclear weapon.

The only actual evidence that Iran has anything close to nuclear weapons technology is blueprints *that the CIA gave to them!*

Have you all forgotten that the evidence on Iraq was spectacularly wrong? Have you all ignored the fact that it was fabricated? Why then are we going down the exact same road of stage managed, fabricated pseudo-evidence and wild-ass hysteria?

What is wrong with you people?

This entire crisis has been manufactured, and has been years in the making.

Stop and think back five years. What did we have five years ago? A moderate reformist Iranian government making overtures to the United States, rebuilding its relationship with Europe, liberalizing its society, and modernizing its economy.

9/11 comes along, the Iranians are overflowing with sympathy. Mass candlelit vigils are held in Tehran. Iran offers aid and cooperation.

Iran hates the Taliban who have executed Iranian diplomats and massacred Afghan Shiites. Iran hates Saddam Hussein. Iran hates Al Qaeda which is a Sunni Fundamentalist organization which declares Shiites infidels and subhuman.

Iran shares its intelligence with America - they even arrested Taliban members and handed them over to US custody.

So we've got the Iranian spring; things are finally going to sort out.

And what happens? The Bush administration rebuffs every Iranian overture and does its best to instigate a cold war. Afghanistan is invaded, and suddenly, the Iranians are looking at American troops and allies on their eastern border. Then Iraq is invaded, and American troops and allies on their western border. Then bases and treaties in Uzbekistan, and whoops, there's more American troops and allies on the northern border. The Persian Gulf is filled with American warships and carrier fleets.

Now the Iranians are surrounded. And the tough talk is constant. Iran is part of the 'Axis of Evil' and Americans tell each other "Baghdad, humph, real men go to Tehran." Essentially, America has been threatening military action against Iran for the last five years, and has surrounded the country on every side with troops, bases and allies.

American aircraft invade Iranian airspace regularly, American special forces undertake operations inside Iran and Americans regularly accuse Iranians of interference in Iraq.

Dick Cheney pontificates about Israel bombing Iran *after he has just handed over to Israel the long range bombers and bunker busting bombs* required to do the job.

Meanwhile, the United States undertakes economic warfare against Iran, interfering with its business dealings with third party countries, trying to scuttle a pipeline deal with India, and it goes on and on. The hysteria about the Iranians nuclear program is just more of the same.

Now how in God's Bloody Name do you think the Iranians are going to respond to that. Should they concede the nuclear program, abandon their pipeline project? If so, its not going to do them any good. America will just seek more concessions. Each surrender will be met by new demands. This isn't hard to figure out. It's exactly what Bush did with Iraq.

Perhaps overtures, good will gestures, trying to act like a peaceful nation. Did all those things, doesn't matter. The Bush administration is still on a collision course.

So, the Mullahs are concerned that they're faced with a homicidal crazy state, the Iranian people are scared. When people are scared and faced with an aggressive warmongering power which keeps threatening to attack them, continually trespasses on its borders and is undertaking economic warfare... who the hell are they going to elect? Ahminajad may be a crazy bastard, but you assholes, you utter assholes did every thing you could to elect him short of donating 50,000 Diebold machines and mailing his party the trapdoor codes.

So, having pursued a psychotically aggressive course, you've backed Iran into a corner, and engineered a regime which refuses to back further.

And *you* are the victims in all this? *You* are the ones under threat? It's *self defense*????

And of course, you goofily believe that you can just bomb or nuke Iran with impunity?

Holy Microeconomic Theory Batman! Iran's nuclear facilities are distributed across the country and in hardened sites near population centers. So any strike that cripples a significant portion of Iran's nuclear capacity will inevitably be so large and kill so many people that its going to be tantamount to inviting full scale war.

Think about that. Iran is 70 million people, an area five times the size of Iraq, not disemboweled by 12 years of sanctions and air raids. On the other side of the coin, America's ground army is busted and tied down in Iraq. There's no troops to throw at a major Iranian military force, so you have to hope that bombing will do the trick. The occupation forces in Iraq are in occupation and not territorial defense mode. And Iraq is 65% Shiites who are probably not going to be happy that you're blowing up their brother Shiites. Meanwhile, the Strait of Hormuz is so narrow that sinking one supertanker will block it indefinitely, and Iran borders the straight on three sides. Block Hormuz and any naval groups inside the Persian Gulf are trapped there. Any naval groups outside the Persian Gulf are trapped outside. Forget about any oil coming out of the Persian Gulf from Iraq, Kuwait, Quatar, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia or the UAE. Think about what

In short its so appallingly stupid and colossally risky, that I can see why your idiots in charge might consider using nuclear weapons. But throw a few nukes around and see how the rest of the world reacts? Every dirt-wad country is going to be mortgaging the Presidential palace to get its own nuclear deterrent from Pakistan or North Korea. How do you feel about the Indonesian Bomb, the Malaysian Bomb, the Thai Bomb, the Myanmar Bomb, the Algerian Bomb, the Saudi Bomb, the Egyptian Bomb, the Brazilian Bomb, the Argentine Bomb, the Venezuelan Bomb, the Cuban Bomb, the Japanese Bomb, the Canadian frigging Bomb. You are no longer trustworthy. North Korea, always borderline psychotic is going to be mondo difficult to deal with. You've just guaranteed yourself a full fledged nuclear arms race, balls to the wall with both Russia and China, and quite possibly Europe.

And of course there's no guarantee that the rest of the world will allow this. Do you want an armed standoff with the Russians. Suppose they 'loan' their finest interceptor jets, pilots and radar systems to the Iranians... Do you want to meet *that* on a bombing raid? And if you do meet *that* what are you going to do when half your planes are blasted out of the skies conducting an illegal raid on civilian populations in a foreign country? Cry? Send a harsh note?

Launch a first strike?

What happens if the Chinese decide to hold Taiwan and South Korea hostage? What do you do? Back off Iran or sell out East Asia?

Hell, in that kind of standoff, someone sneezes and its not going to matter who launched a first strike.

Or would you like an economic standoff, say with Europe, or with Japan and China. Suppose that the Europeans or Chinese decide "screw the worldwide depression, you assholes are just too dangerous to have around." Trillions of dollars get dumped on the market, loans get called in, the bottom drops out of your dollar, its thousand per cent inflation and no manufacturing base and your own trade embargoes. So much for America.

I mean, its morally wrong, its stupid on every level. And yet here you are discussing why maybe you should get out in front of the Republicans on this, or planning your surrender to Bush. Why are you even discussing this?

What is wrong with America?

[MNJohnnie]

Flame on

Why? You did not make a single rational, factual statement. No reason to flame anyone so completely divorced from any grasp of reality as yourself. You do our work for us when you post such rabidly bigoted hate filled nonsense. Nothing we might add would do any more damage to your intellectual credibility then you have all ready done. Try actually finding out some facts first next time rather then going into politically bigoted emotional hysteria. Cannot decide which is funnier. You complete ignorance of reality, or your rabid arrogance in coming here to prove just what a complete idiot you are.

[Mr. Silverback]

Two questions, dipstick, and I'll even answer them for you:

Q. What has Canada done diplomatically to stop Iran from getting the bomb?

A. Approximately nothing. (Sounds like you should keep your criticism to yourself; we've been working on this problem diplomatically for years and you haven't done anything worth mentioning.

Q. What sort of person would be shocked and angered if the United states wishes to prevent the annihilation of a nation of 8 million people by Iran?

A. A moral midget with a tiny brain.

It's easy for you to hold these views. If the Iranians pass a bomb to Osama, he won't be setting it off in Ottawa, will he?

[Prophet in the wilderness]

Sorry about the typo.

Correction:

and the left is bend out of shape because, first of all, Bush won not only 1 election , but 2 elections, and 3 Bush is trying to clean house of Clinton's people in the C.I.A

[Lunatic Fringe]

Do you want an armed standoff with the Russians. Suppose they 'loan' their finest interceptor jets, pilots and radar systems to the Iranians... Do you want to meet *that* on a bombing raid? And if you do meet *that* what are you going to do when half your planes are blasted out of the skies conducting an illegal raid on civilian populations in a foreign country? Cry? Send a harsh note?

LOL!!!!

Russian jets vs. American jets. Russian pilots vs. American pilots. Yeah, I'm shaking in my boots.

[MaDeuce]

Aeyyyy yayayay bogala bogala bojala eeeeeeeyayaya.

You hear that!! Its time for you to bow down to Mecca you Infidel!! Now get on your knees!!!!

[A.Hun]

OK....This is the most stupid rant I have seen in at least a week....

Not just rock stupid, more like Jimmy Carter stupid.

Maybe you should send this to Cynthia...

[Lunatic Fringe]

The Canadians never feel threatened because they don't have the nutsack to risk anything. That's OK. We'll still protect our moose-loving neighbors to the north, despite the fact it's full of idiots like these. And I'll tell you something else... their beer SUCKS!

[Prophet in the wilderness]

I believe some in Canada, and the EU want the USA to get hit by a nuke, seeing their anti-America / Hate America rhetoric.
They know that Iran has nukes , but, they, and the MSM want us to be duped into believing that they ( IRAN ) don't have the nukes and to waste our time is fruitless talk with the UN/EU/USA.
It's the Nevil Chamberlain kind of thinking, Peace at all cost.

[Lady Jag]

[Catholic Canadian]

Damn, after reading this idiot, I'm thinking I need to change my name back to Ashamed Canadian. What a retard.

[Donald Rumsfeld Fan]

How do you feel about the Indonesian Bomb, the Malaysian Bomb, the Thai Bomb, the Myanmar Bomb, the Algerian Bomb, the Saudi Bomb, the Egyptian Bomb, the Brazilian Bomb, the Argentine Bomb, the Venezuelan Bomb, the Cuban Bomb, the Japanese Bomb, the Canadian frigging Bomb.

..Canadian Friggin Airforce

And of course there's no guarantee that the rest of the world will allow this. Do you want an armed standoff with the Russians. Suppose they 'loan' their finest interceptor jets, pilots and radar systems to the Iranians...

..B2s flying thru finest Russian radar....oops!...

[Lunatic Fringe]

RCMP Officer at Headquarters: I don't know what you're talking aboot, eh?

Kabral: Aboot! It's ABOUT! And what's with this 'eh' business?

Roy Boy: [pointing a gun] We have ways of making you pronounce the letter O, pal.

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Gus: Canadians are always dreaming up a lotta ways to ruin our lives. The metric system, for the love of God! Celsius! Neil Young!

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[TV Announcer describes the Canadian National Tower in Toronto]

Edwin S. Simon, NBS News Anchor: It is the height of six American football fields, or five Canadian football fields. As if Canadian football really counts.

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U.S. President: You sold control of American missiles to a foreign country?

R.J. Hacker, President of Hacker Dynamics: If you can call Canada foreign.

Smiley: Or a country.

[Tallguy]

You're not going to get anywhere with the Iranians diplomatically without pressure. Military action must be credible or it won't believed. If we foreswear the military option, the Iranians will succeed in their efforts to obtain a nuke arsenal.

The Libyans were far more advanced than we had thought. We found this out after Ghaddafi came to the conclusion that the US meant business on WMDs. He didn't do it because he got a 'deal'. He did it because the 3rd Infantry Division was sitting in Saddam's palace.

I would also suggest that it is the Iranian hostage-taker-of-a-president, Ahmedinajad, who has a screw loose. He KNOWS that his country will be a smoking cinder whatever he does, but that does not seem to affect his rhetoric.

[Pox]

I always love posts like this that display the unabashed cowardice and ignorance of the liberals/progressives/socialists/communists.

Squealing with any and every possible "rationale" to avoid conflict of any kind.

Pitiful and pathetic. Coward.

[Catholic Canadian]

I say nuke Iran now. The Russians aren't dumb enough to risk getting involved in a conflict with the US over it either. To hell with Iran.

[Tallguy]

Were is the transcript of the Jack Nicholson monologue from "A Few Good Men"? Though he played the 'bad guy' in that movie, you can't really argue with the logic.

[Mr. Silverback]

You're right. Let's nuke Canada instead.

Nah, let's just annex it. It's got more oil than Iran.

[Mr. Silverback]

Oh, one other thing: In 1945, the U.S official estimate for when the Soviets would get the A-Bomb was 20 years minimum. It took them five.

And you seem so comfortable citing the same CIA that didn't connect the dots on 9/11 or Iraqi WMD...man, you really should stay off the Internet and thereby avoid embarassing yourself this way.

[AngryJawa]

Ask and ye shall receive:

You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You me (need me)there.

(boasting)

We use words like honor, code,loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline.

(beat)

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it. I'd prefer you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to.

Penned by liberal dirtbag Arron Sorkin of West Wing infamy...the mind boggles.

[Mr. Silverback]

In September of 1945, General Leslie Groves, the director of the Manhattan Project, was asked by Congress how long it would take for the Soviet Union to develop their own A-Bomb. He said it would take "20 years to never."

They tested their first A-Bomb on 29 August, 1949.

Consider also that the Soviet program was accelerated by their spies, but Iran doesn't need to spy on us or anybody else if Kim Jong Il is willing to share his tech, or if Putin lets one of his scientists get loose. There were almost certainly people in Iraq who knew how to build a bomb, and we know a junior at Princeton figured it out back in the 70's, so it's not the hardest thing in the world to do.