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Luther's lavatory thrills experts
BBC News ^ | 10/22/04 | BBC News

Posted on 10/23/2004 12:38:21 PM PDT by wagglebee

Archaeologists in Germany say they may have found a lavatory where Martin Luther launched the Reformation of the Christian church in the 16th Century.

The stone room is in a newly-unearthed annex to Luther's house in Wittenberg.

Luther is quoted as saying he was "in cloaca", or in the sewer, when he was inspired to argue that salvation is granted because of faith, not deeds.

The scholar suffered from constipation and spent many hours in contemplation on the toilet seat.

'Earthy Christianity'

The lavatory was built in the period 1516-17, according to Dr Martin Treu, a theologian and Luther expert based in Wittenberg.

"What we have found here is something very rare," he told BBC News Online, describing how most buildings preserved from that era tend to have served a grander function.

The toilet is in a niche set inside a room measuring nine by nine metres, which was discovered during the excavation of a garden in the grounds of Luther's house.

Dr Treu said there can be little doubt the toilet was used by Luther, the radical theologian who argued for a more "earthy Christianity", which regarded the entire human body - and not just the soul - as God's creation.

The Reformation, which resulted in Europe's Protestant churches, is usually reckoned to have begun when Luther nailed 95 theses to the door of Wittenberg's Castle Church on 31 October 1517.

The theses attacked papal abuses and the sale of indulgences by church officials, among other things.

Structural concerns

Luther left a candid catalogue of his battle with constipation but despite this wealth of information, certain key details remain obscure - such as what the great reformer may have used in place of toilet paper.

"We still don't know what was used for wiping in those days," says Dr Treu. The paper of the time, he says, would have been too expensive and critically, "too stiff" for the purpose.

And while it is probable that the inspiration that led to Luther's reforms occurred on this toilet, it is impossible to prove it beyond doubt, Dr Treu says.

Future visitors to Wittenberg's Martin Luther museum will be able to view the new find, though structural concerns mean they will not be free to test its qualities as a toilet.


TOPICS: History; Religion
KEYWORDS: archaeology; archeology; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; lutheranism; martinluther; protestants; reformation; toilet

1 posted on 10/23/2004 12:38:25 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping


2 posted on 10/23/2004 12:38:48 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: wagglebee
Luther is quoted as saying he was "in cloaca", or in the sewer, when he was inspired to argue that salvation is granted because of faith, not deeds. The scholar suffered from constipation and spent many hours in contemplation on the toilet seat.

Well, He certainly keeps His treasure in earthen vessels. Why not in the bathroom? Truth be told, I've had some pretty spritual experiences in there. Seriously.

3 posted on 10/23/2004 12:44:39 PM PDT by kezekiel
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To: kezekiel

I had a college prof who also taught at the local Catholic high school tell us this in a derisive manner.

... in geography class...

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4 posted on 10/23/2004 12:54:01 PM PDT by sonsofliberty2000 ("If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." Thomas Paine)
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To: wagglebee

"We still don't know what was used for wiping in those days,"...

Well, it's a cinch they didn't have an old Sear's Catalog handy, either. Maybe they had Muslim attendants?


5 posted on 10/23/2004 1:17:04 PM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: wagglebee; blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 2Jedismom; ...
Thanks WaggleBee. "The scholar suffered from constipation"... heh...
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6 posted on 10/23/2004 4:57:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: 7.62 x 51mm
Well, it's a cinch they didn't have an old Sear's Catalog handy, either.

Common mullein grow around there?

Common mullein is a monocarpic perennial (i.e., takes two or more years to flower and die). Brought over from Europe by settlers, it was used as a medicinal herb, as a remedy for coughs and diarrhea and a respiratory stimulant for the lungs when smoked. A methanol extract from common mullein has been used as an insecticide for mosquito larvae.

Verbascum thapsus L.

It is also "the hiker's friend in need".

7 posted on 10/23/2004 7:08:11 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: wagglebee

An article about this discovery has been posted before.

Some insensitive person posted a comment about the "95 feces."

I, of course, am not so crude as to repeat it. :)

LOL


8 posted on 10/23/2004 7:26:31 PM PDT by Restorer (Europe is heavily armed, but only with envy.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Worked for me in Scout camp.


9 posted on 10/24/2004 8:01:23 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: wagglebee

I have spoken to God many times on the toilet, mostly in the aftermath of college parties, "oh God, I will never, drink again (and this time I mean it)"


10 posted on 10/24/2004 8:04:53 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: wagglebee
There were actually 96 theses posted on the door.

The ninety-sixth read, "Lord, please smite the inventor of the low-flush toilet".

Leni

11 posted on 10/24/2004 8:08:54 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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