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The Egg Island theory (Where Did Columbus Make Landfall?)
Amerion Internet Services ^ | last updated: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 | Keith A. Pickering

Posted on 09/19/2004 12:21:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Egg island is a flyspeck of land (0.2 square miles) at the end of a string of small islands extenting west from the northern end of Eleuthera Island in the Bahamas. Along with its near neighbor Royal Island, Egg was proposed as the landfall in 1981 by Arne B. Molander, a retired civil engineer. Molander has been a tireless advocate for his theory since, although his efforts so far have failed to convince anyone that the idea has merit.

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; Reference; Religion; Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: 1492; ageofsail; ancientnavigation; archaeology; christophercolumbus; columbusday; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history
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To: Ptarmigan
I thought Columbus landed in what is now Hispaniola in the Caribbean.

Nope. First he landed on a small island in the Bahamas.

21 posted on 09/19/2004 7:38:11 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (What's the Forgery, Dan!!!???)
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To: wagglebee

Pickering's page on population:
http://www1.minn.net/~keithp/lclog4.htm

(alliteration ping)


22 posted on 09/19/2004 7:40:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=napalminthemorning)
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To: SunkenCiv

Off topic, a bit, but why in the world did they draw that 3-d map with the cutout like they did? I'm thinking they sailed off the end of the world. . .


23 posted on 09/19/2004 7:51:55 PM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: T. P. Pole

Probably to show the depth of the plant growth. Note also the blue arrow shown "in space" to indicate the direction of the current.


24 posted on 09/19/2004 8:01:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=napalminthemorning)
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To: SunkenCiv
judging at the end of that discussion that the Plana Cays location has been scientifically proved.

I wouldn't say "proved"; just better supported by scientific evidence than other theories.

And yet, the island doesn't come close to matching Columbus' description. :')

Sure it does. In fact, every single island in the Bahamas comes close to matching CC's description: green, flat, surrounded by a reef, and with a large pond in the middle. Sounds very specific, until you actually try to rule out a Bahamaian island on that basis -- and find that you can't.

Molander may be deceased, I'm not sure.

Still alive, but quite infirm nowadays.

In any case, he's often cruised the Caribbean, and compared Columbus' log with the actual currently available possibilities.

As have Beecher, Morison, Roukema, Marden, Judge, Dunwoody, Peck, Verhoog, and many others -- who have reached no consensus.

I note "currently" because of the volcanic activity in the Caribbean, which could alter the landscape directly (eruption) or indirectly (tsunami).

No volcanic activity at all in the Bahamas. And although hurricanes and storms might affect some coastal features, such as beaches, there is one thing that remains constant even after 500 years: islands cannot move. Therefore, the most reliable indicators we have about the landfall are the distances and directions between islands (plus the lengths of coastlines) as reported by CC in his log. In evaluating these indicators, Egg Island does only average -- although where it fails, it fails miserably (distance to Cape Verde fix, distance from IV to I). Those theories that use Crooked/Acklins as Island II (Plana, Samana and Mayaguana) are way ahead of the pack.

25 posted on 09/21/2004 8:43:32 PM PDT by Keith Pickering (Pickering replies ...)
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To: SunkenCiv
judging at the end of that discussion that the Plana Cays location has been scientifically proved.

I wouldn't say "proved"; just better supported by scientific evidence than other theories.

And yet, the island doesn't come close to matching Columbus' description. :')

Sure it does. In fact, every single island in the Bahamas comes close to matching CC's description: green, flat, surrounded by a reef, and with a large pond in the middle. Sounds very specific, until you actually try to rule out a Bahamaian island on that basis -- and find that you can't.

Molander may be deceased, I'm not sure.

Still alive, but quite infirm nowadays.

In any case, he's often cruised the Caribbean, and compared Columbus' log with the actual currently available possibilities.

As have Beecher, Morison, Roukema, Marden, Judge, Dunwoody, Peck, Verhoog, and many others -- who have reached no consensus.

I note "currently" because of the volcanic activity in the Caribbean, which could alter the landscape directly (eruption) or indirectly (tsunami).

No volcanic activity at all in the Bahamas. And although hurricanes and storms might affect some coastal features, such as beaches, there is one thing that remains constant even after 500 years: islands cannot move. Therefore, the most reliable indicators we have about the landfall are the distances and directions between islands (plus the lengths of coastlines) as reported by CC in his log. In evaluating these indicators, Egg Island does only average -- although where it fails, it fails miserably (distance to Cape Verde fix, distance from IV to I). Those theories that use Crooked/Acklins as Island II (Plana, Samana and Mayaguana) are way ahead of the pack.

26 posted on 09/21/2004 8:50:10 PM PDT by Keith Pickering (Pickering replies ...)
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To: Keith Pickering

Wow! Hey, thanks for that. Imagine my surprise! Welcome to FreeRepublic!


27 posted on 09/21/2004 10:46:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=napalminthemorning)
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To: SunkenCiv

Awesome!


28 posted on 09/21/2004 11:00:57 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: Keith Pickering
Welcome to FR, Keith. This group's a riot. If you plan on sticking around, I recommend joining SunkenCiv's "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" *ping* list. Rarely does a day go by without an interesting article.

All you would do is send him a private reply saying, "Add me to the list."

My mother doesn't have access to the Internet, so I read her some of SunkenCiv's articles once a week. (She's quite taken with Chinese history these days.)

29 posted on 09/21/2004 11:32:25 PM PDT by Marie (~shhhhh...~ The liberals are sleeping....)
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To: SunkenCiv; Keith Pickering
Wow! Hey, thanks for that. Imagine my surprise!

Yes indeed. Ya just never know when a prominent guest might drop in on us here, eh? So SC, will you need to be recanting any of your, uh, catty remarks??? ;^)

FGS

30 posted on 09/21/2004 11:34:03 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: Keith Pickering
One more small thing. We don't mind fellow FReepers shamelessly plugging their books. There's a few published folks blogging here and (*sheesh*!) do we *all* know it! ;-)

Have fun!

31 posted on 09/21/2004 11:36:38 PM PDT by Marie (~shhhhh...~ The liberals are sleeping....)
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To: ForGod'sSake
:'D Nope, I love to live dangerously, on the bleeding edge, etc etc... I won't even wanna recant the following...
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

32 posted on 09/21/2004 11:41:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=napalminthemorning)
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To: Marie

Hmm... Chinese, eh... ['Civ wanders off]


33 posted on 09/21/2004 11:42:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=napalminthemorning)
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To: Keith Pickering; SunkenCiv
Welcome to FRee Republic.. thank you for your comments

Sunken = thanks for this and other threads that tickle our curiosity
34 posted on 09/22/2004 3:24:55 AM PDT by DollyCali (A song & smile in your soul ~~ gifts from God.)
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To: Keith Pickering

Fantastic! Welcome!


35 posted on 09/22/2004 7:01:51 AM PDT by I'm ALL Right! ("When the going gets weird, anchor men punt." - Dan Rather, election 2000)
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To: SunkenCiv
Thanks to all for the warm welcome. (and sorry for the double-posting ... ). SunkenCiv, I'd be happy to join the GGG ping group. And don't worry about catty remarks; I'm a big boy and I don't mind, as long as it doesn't get personal. Although if we knew the reason for the disagreement, that might raise the level of discussion ... :-)
36 posted on 09/22/2004 10:33:29 AM PDT by Keith Pickering (Pickering replies ...)
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To: Keith Pickering

Thank you for sharing your knowledge on such an interesting subject.


37 posted on 09/22/2004 11:14:16 AM PDT by ruoflaw
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To: Keith Pickering

Just adding my welcome to the others. My interests reside in the "gods" part of the thread. Never gave much thought to Columbus or where he first set foot. Nice to have experts check in to keep things interesting.


38 posted on 09/22/2004 12:58:52 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: SunkenCiv

Great job attracting Pickering, if in fact you are responible. Just kidding.


39 posted on 09/22/2004 5:38:51 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: SunkenCiv

10% of what: Electoral College (which even the 'Rats have figured out this year is the one needed to win) or popular vote?


40 posted on 09/22/2004 5:41:38 PM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Kerry/Edwards--When you're full of it you need two johns.)
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