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To: HundredPercenter
To: HundredPercenter
So if I have a company and I believe it is important to eat pork, can I fire a Muslim employee who refuses?
4 posted on
08/04/2004 9:19:42 AM PDT by
johnfrink
To: HundredPercenter
I have to admit I'm torn here. I frankly wish the government would keep its damn nose out of private business more than it does. It ought to be OK for a Catholic-leaning company to, say, refuse to subsidize birth control and/or abortion through the health plan it offers its employees---as long as it makes this policy clear to employees before hiring them. And yet some states would make this illegal.
So what's good for the goose ought to be good for tha gander. If a Muslim company wants to ban pork on the premises, well, so be it.
On the other hand, bacon tastes good, pork chops taste good... :-)
I would say that if the company had a written policy regarding pork, then I'd have to be behind them 100%.
5 posted on
08/04/2004 9:22:09 AM PDT by
mcg1969
To: HundredPercenter
If this wasn't in Florida, I'd say that this woman has a case for wrongful termination. She simply can't be fired for the reasons given by her employer.
Since she has Federal Law on her side, depending on how the Florida courts react or decide, this could go all the way to the USSC.
6 posted on
08/04/2004 9:37:53 AM PDT by
Bloody Sam Roberts
(May the wings of Liberty never lose so much as a feather.)
To: HundredPercenter
But, but, but, they're providing jobs that lazy Americans won't provide. You should just accept the cultural changes, you bigoted xenophobes, 'cause diversity is our strength.
7 posted on
08/04/2004 10:27:39 AM PDT by
jordan8
To: HundredPercenter
8 posted on
08/04/2004 12:47:43 PM PDT by
TomServo
("I'm so upset that I'll binge on a Saltine.")
To: HundredPercenter
At the very least, she received a verbal warning. Their property, their rules.
10 posted on
08/04/2004 12:57:21 PM PDT by
Slings and Arrows
('Hey, maybe "Jihadists For Kerry" is what "JFK" really stands for.' --Blood of Tyrants)
To: HundredPercenter
As bad as I feel for this woman, I still believe that the company is a private business and the government should not dictate company policy.
Private businesses are private property.
11 posted on
08/04/2004 12:58:59 PM PDT by
HEY4QDEMS
(Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again.)
To: HundredPercenter
I can understand why she would have been reprimanded for violations, and if she were to continue to violate the policy, then she should be fired. The problem is that there was no written policy, and she was not required to sign a document acknowledging that she was not to bring "unclean" foods onto company premesis.
For instance, if you work at a Jewish synagogue, it would not be unusual to have a similar policy.
The problem with dietary laws is that if you bring something "unclean" in and use utensils, plates, pots, or pans, you wind up "contaminating" those things. Which then "contaminate" any food used with them for others. It's a complicated matter.
My grandfather was a "Mashgiach," or one who supervises kitchens to make sure that they followed the Jewish laws of "Kashruth," the dietary laws. It's complicated, and although it may seem outdated, for those who are religious and observant, it's every bit as important as a baptism or Sacrement.
Mark
12 posted on
08/04/2004 1:00:22 PM PDT by
MarkL
(Dude!!! You're farting fire!!!!)
To: HundredPercenter
The Koran forbids Muslims from eating pork. And according to Kweli, Morales
and every employee at the company is advised of the no pork policy.
If the Koran is the rule of the road with this company, she got off easy!
She should just consider herself lucky that she didn't get dragged to a sports arena,
have a burqa thrown on her and then be forced to kneel while she gets the
coup-de-grace head-shot from an AK-47!
I guess she was lucky to encounter some moderate Muslims.
13 posted on
08/04/2004 1:01:57 PM PDT by
VOA
To: HundredPercenter
I would think without a written policy on this she would have a case; at least I hope she does.
14 posted on
08/04/2004 1:02:10 PM PDT by
pies
To: HundredPercenter
Hey! They can't do this! They can't fire her because she did something against their religion.
Wait a sec. It's not really a religion. Now I'm confused.
16 posted on
08/04/2004 1:59:58 PM PDT by
isthisnickcool
(Strategery - "W" plays poker with one hand and chess with the other.)
To: HundredPercenter
think I'll have a bacon-wrapped filet mignon tonight or perhaps a ham sandwich ... perhaps a pepperoni pizza with Canadian Bacon ...
yeah, with diversity like this, who needs enemies? ... oh wait ... hmmmm
18 posted on
08/04/2004 2:47:25 PM PDT by
Bobby777
To: HundredPercenter
They had every right to ask her not to eat pork in the lunch room.
It's not like she was fired for eating pork at her house, she brought it in the lunchroom.
If the Muslim loses this battle, God help any Christian and Jewish businesses....
To: HundredPercenter
I work for a private company and wish we could fire some of the people who microwave foul smelling, disgusting food. They stink up the whole office and it doesn't go away in an hour. One day, one of the hypenated Americans actually brought a hot plate and cooked food in the cafe. Talk about stench!
But then again, maybe my reheated pot roast smelled bad to them. We will probably all loose the microwave. Why is it that the answer to the multicultural issues and diversity is generally an abolition of the American culture?
21 posted on
08/04/2004 3:01:00 PM PDT by
kdot
To: HundredPercenter
How can this woman sue on the grounds of religious discrimination? I don't know of any Christian creed which states that eating pork is a sacrament or something. It seems to me that many Christians have elevated the consumption of pork to a religious ritual and those Christians who refuse to eat pork are considered "legalists" and "heretics" simply because they actually believe what ALL Scripture says, not just the ones which are twisted to "tickle our ears" and tell us we can do whatever we want and make Yeshua happy.
Yeshua didn't die so Chistians can eat pork sandwiches at church potlucks but if you dare tell a Chritian that the Bible doesn't justify pork consumption, they react w/ just as much venom as if you tried to take Charlton Heston's musked out of his "cold dead hands".
I have heard stories of Messianic Jews forced to give up their culture and kashrut to prove to their gentile brethren that they were loyal to Yeshua.
Mark Gabriel, a former Muslim scholar who converted to Christianity, was applauded loudly at a YWAM traning center when he ate pork for the first time as though he was a 100% Christian until he ate pork.
Leviticus 11:29 These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind,
Isaiah 66:15-17: For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
Sad and disgusting at the same time.
22 posted on
08/04/2004 3:29:14 PM PDT by
Tamar1973
("He who is compassionate to the cruel, ends up being cruel to the compassionate." Chazal)
To: HundredPercenter
No doubt I'll get flamed for this, but that's OK, I can take it... One thing that really bugs me about many religions is the proscription of various foods. No pork for Muslims or Jews, no beef for Hindus, no meat on a few ever-changing days for Catholics (used to be all Fridays; do you suppose someone who ate a cheeseburger on a Friday in 1960 is now suffering eternal damnation, whereas it's OK to do so now?). Rules such as these, it seems to me, come closer to superstition than theology.
If someone were to force me to join a church (and that'll be a cold day in Hell, so to speak), I'd become an Episcopalian, I guess -- I'd only be required to give up something I don't like anyway for Lent.
23 posted on
08/04/2004 3:39:23 PM PDT by
southernnorthcarolina
(Past performance is no guarantee of future results... I hope.)
To: HundredPercenter
Ummm...
I worked at a great company that makes luxury yachts. One of the best jobs I've ever had. I still drop in to visit from time to time.
The owners were vegetarian 7th-Day Adventists who respected the religious beliefs of all who worked there.
Because of their profound beliefs, it was an unwritten rule that you don't cuss, chew tobacco, etc on COMPANY PROPERTY.
Meat was always served at our company picnics (which were an all-day festival that you did not want to leave). They respected our day of worship as we were expected to respect theirs (sundown Friday to sundown Saturday)...they did no business on Saturday whatsoever.
They could have made thing alot worse, but didn't out of respect to their employees.
I still feel though, that a private enterprise should be able to make whatever rules it wishes.
24 posted on
08/04/2004 3:52:49 PM PDT by
baltodog
(There are three kinds of people: Those who can count, and those who can't.)
To: HundredPercenter
"Did you ever sign to or agree to anything that said I will not eat pork?" Holfeld asked Morales.
"Never," Morales said. "When I got hired there, they said we don't care what religion you are." Excuse me but does anyone else see a disconnect here? What does what not caring what religion she is have to do with her bringing on to company property an item she had been previously asked not to bring on to company property?
The company is in the right. When you have been told not to do something once and proceed to do it again you are asking to get fired.
30 posted on
08/04/2004 6:21:43 PM PDT by
Harmless Teddy Bear
(Ense et aratro! "Lady Snuggles of the Lethal Yew")
To: HundredPercenter
I'm in Orlando. I need an extra administrative aide. I'll be calling her in the AM to send a resume!
31 posted on
08/04/2004 6:44:05 PM PDT by
MindBender26
(Kill all Islamic terrorists now. Then they cannot kill our sons and daughters tomorrow)
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