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VANITY: Can someone please explain to me exactly what Felony Trump was guilty of in that so-called "hush money" case?
Vanity | 05/31/2024

Posted on 05/31/2024 8:38:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

OK, serious answers only please...

I'm trying to understand exactly what felony Trump was convicted of in yesterday's verdict.

Here's what I understand (please correct me if I am wrong or inaccurate in any of my interpretation) :

1) Trump was accused of a sexual affair with Porn Star Stormy Daniels almost 20 years ago.

2) 9 years later, as Trump was planning to ran for President, he had Stormy Daniels sign a non-disclosuer agreement in exchange for paying her $130,000 for her silence.

3) Trump is being charged with falsifying business records in relation to this particular payment.

Now, here's what I'm trying to understand ( but still don't ) -- exactly what felony did Trump commit?

#1 Might be morally wrong ( assuming it were true ), but it is NOT illegal between consenting adults.

#2 Isn't illegal either. Non-disclosure agreements are routinely being signed all the time, even with regards to something similar to what Trump allegedly did.

That brings us to Number 3: Falsifying business records.

What exactly did Trump falsify?

How should the payment to Stormy Daniels be declared in order to make it NOT illegal?

Can anyone enlighten me on this? Thanks.

Again, if you don't know, please don't post.

I can understand sarcasm, but the purpose of my opening this thread is to understand what exactly made his act a felony.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Society
KEYWORDS: alvinbragg; hushmoney; lawfare; stormydaniels; trump; trumpconviction; trumpguilityverdict; trumppersecution; trumpverdict
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1 posted on 05/31/2024 8:38:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I bet most Americans can not...


2 posted on 05/31/2024 8:40:49 AM PDT by Words Matter
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To: SeekAndFind

Felony is being Donald Trump


3 posted on 05/31/2024 8:40:58 AM PDT by PMAS (Vote with your wallets, there are 80 million of us - No China made, No Amazon)
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4 posted on 05/31/2024 8:41:45 AM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: SeekAndFind

As far as I know, one of Trump’s accountants sent money to Trump’s lawyer (related to the NDA) and marked down in the ledger that the money being paid to the lawyer was a “legal expense”. The state of New York says that’s a felony.


5 posted on 05/31/2024 8:41:51 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (It's not "Quiet Quitting" -- it's "Going Galt".)
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To: SeekAndFind
It wasn't a felony. It was a misdemeanor.

They waved a magic wand and turned it into a felony so that they could skirt the statute of limitations and make Trump sound more badder. lol


6 posted on 05/31/2024 8:42:00 AM PDT by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: SeekAndFind

Like all democrat law, it’s made up as they go.


7 posted on 05/31/2024 8:42:19 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: SeekAndFind

No.

I hold an advanced degree, have been paying attention to all of the news stories and legal pundits throughout this ordeal, and have absolutely no idea how you arrive at 30+ felonies from a single journal entry from a staff accountant for a payment made to an attorney.


8 posted on 05/31/2024 8:42:21 AM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: SeekAndFind
There wasn't one. The whole thing was a violation of Trump's most basic constitutional rights.

Bragg and Merchan violated President Trump's fifth and sixth amendment rights in so many ways.

  1. Trump's sixth amendment right to "an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed" was denied to him by Bragg and Merchan by not moving the venue to a more balanced location outside of New York City.

  2. Trump's sixth amendment right to a trial in "which district shall have been previously ascertained by law" was denied to him by Bragg and Merchan by trying a federal campaign finance law in a county court in New York.

  3. Trump's sixth amendment right "to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusations" against him was denied to him by Bragg and Merchan by not revealing what the underlying charge that bootstrapped the misdemeanors was. Even after conviction, nobody knows what the underlying crime was.

  4. Trump's sixth amendment right to "have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor" was denied to him by Bragg and Merchan by not letting Trump put the former Chairman of the Federal Elections Commission on the witness stand to give expert testimony on what constitutes illegal campaign spending.

  5. Trump's sixth amendment right to have a unanimous jury verdict was denied to him by Bragg and Merchan by letting the jury pick from several possible underlying crimes without all agreeing on what that crime was.

  6. Trump's fifth amendment right to "due process of law" was violated when Bragg and Merchan instructed the jury to presume guilt of the underlying crime that resuscitated misdemeanors that were past their statute of limitations.

-PJ
9 posted on 05/31/2024 8:42:56 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: SeekAndFind

He is guilty of crimes against the Deep State.

You are as well—btw.

You are not important enough for them to waste the time persecuting you.


10 posted on 05/31/2024 8:43:29 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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Needs expedited review - this is clearly campaign interference.


11 posted on 05/31/2024 8:44:14 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Difference between a cow and the US Capitol 1/6 "riot:" you can only milk a cow 3 times a day)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh, good. So it wasn’t just me…thought I was either too dense or had missed something. Thanks for the thread. 👍


12 posted on 05/31/2024 8:44:30 AM PDT by ZinGirl (Now a grandma ....can't afford a tagline :))
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To: SeekAndFind

“How should the payment to Stormy Daniels be declared in order to make it NOT illegal? “

It was categorized as a legal fees payment to Cohen.

I assume the correct way to categorize it would be as reimbursement for NDA payment to Daniels.


13 posted on 05/31/2024 8:44:33 AM PDT by JSM_Liberty
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To: SeekAndFind

Just a thought, has anyone ever noticed that liberal women look like men and liberal men look like women?


14 posted on 05/31/2024 8:45:20 AM PDT by McGavin999 ( A sense of humor is a sign of intelligence, leftists have no sense of humor, therefore…)
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To: SeekAndFind

The political operative known as District Attorney Alvin Bragg is attempting to conflate misdemeaners (34 accounting “errors”), the statute of limitations have run out on, into an “election interference” FEDERAL felony, in a NY state court, without in the indictement having stated exactly what law was broken.


15 posted on 05/31/2024 8:45:44 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: SeekAndFind

The most that could be construed was a book keeping error on the entry describing the transaction which he did not himself do, or have knowledge of and in and of itself is not a felony or all of the CPAs would become felons overnight due to inadvertent or vague entries. Totally bogus charge over non-existent “crime”.


16 posted on 05/31/2024 8:46:13 AM PDT by BipolarBob (If st first you don't succeed then skydiving is not for you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Running for President after they legitimately stole it from him and told him he would never be allowed to take office even if he did win.


17 posted on 05/31/2024 8:46:37 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

RE: the money being paid to the lawyer was a “legal expense”. The state of New York says that’s a felony.

The lawyer, I assume was Michael Cohen. So, if it isn’t a legal expense, what should it be considered in order for it NOT to be illegal? Should it have been written down as “Payment for Non-Disclosure agreement”? And if it were written down this way, it would then be legal?


18 posted on 05/31/2024 8:46:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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It’s part of a pattern set during the Trump impeachment hearings: secret charges, secret witnesses, certain convictions, all spearheaded and smoke-screened by media who are corrupt and disgusting. You won’t know what he did wrong because the public has no right to see the secrets of the party machinery.


19 posted on 05/31/2024 8:46:52 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: SeekAndFind

No, because the jury never said


20 posted on 05/31/2024 8:47:09 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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