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6 Dead, Dying, and Soon-To-Be-Obsolete Handgun Cartridges
fieldandstream.com ^ | May 14, 2021 | Richard Mann

Posted on 05/24/2021 11:30:29 AM PDT by PROCON

Throughout history, many different handgun cartridges have been introduced. And there are many reasons cartridges find the graveyard. Some have lived long lives, others have had short but great runs, and some were doomed from birth to have an unloved existence. On this list, there are handgun loads that were bad ideas from the beginning and those that never lived up to their name. But, somewhere there’s someone, his two uncles, and their mother-in-law, who care about each and every one of them. Still, it doesn’t matter. With these cartridges, a little bit of love isn’t enough. These rounds are, or will soon be, about as dead as dead gets.

1. The 32 ACP: Lingering but unloved.

The .32 ACP has been overshadowed by the .380. Richard Mann

Though it was the original sidearm of secret agent James Bond, even the Walther PPK can’t turn the .32 ACP into anything reasonably approaching a decent self-defense cartridge. However, in 1899 when it was introduced, it was well regarded, and since then it may have been chambered in more handgun models than any other cartridge. At one time, the little .32 ACP was very popular, especially in Europe, where its one true claim to fame is being the cartridge that killed Adolf Hitler. But in 1908, when the .380 ACP was introduced, it began putting nails in the .32 ACP’s coffin. Today that coffin is well sealed and all but buried. James Bond has moved on to other handguns and cartridges, and the rest of the world should follow his lead.

2. The .25 Auto: Better off with a shovel.

You’d have to be pretty optimistic to rely on a .25 Auto for self defense. Richard Mann

John Browning is possibly our greatest firearms designer. Not only did he give us the 1911 pistol, the 1894 Winchester rifle, and the Browning Auto-5 shotgun, he’s also responsible for the .45 Auto, and 50 BMG cartridges. But, in 1905 John Browning gave us something we would have probably been better off without—the .25 Auto. Its 45-grain bullet at 800 fps is anemic by any measure; a .22 Magnum is more powerful. My grandfather told me that back during prohibition when he was running shine, he watched a man empty a magazine of .25 Auto ammo into another man’s torso. That other man then went to his truck, got a shovel, and used that shovel to beat his attacker to death. And there you have it; you’re better off with a shovel than a .25 Auto. It wasn’t a good idea 116 years ago, and nothing has changed.

3. The .41 Magnum: The compromise no one wanted.

The .41 Magnum is the Goldilocks cartridge nobody is interested in anymore. Richard Mann

Introduced in 1964, the .41 Magnum was intended to be the ideal hunting handgun cartridge. It was also thought that cops who couldn’t handle .44 Mangum recoil would find it more appealing than the .357 Magnum. With support from the great Elmer Keith, the .41 Magnum was supposed to bridge the gap between the .357 and .44 Magnums. Though a few police departments adopted it, and a handful of hunters seemed to love it, it never fully developed any mass appeal. Today, with the proliferation of 10mm pistols and revolvers that offer great terminal performance with less recoil, it would appear that the .41 Magnum is headed for extinction. The .357 Magnum is easier to shoot, the .44 Magnum hits harder, and there’s just not enough Elmer Keith disciples left to appreciate or really need the compromise the .41 Magnum offers.

4. The .32 H&R Magnum: Not magnum enough.

The .32 H&R Magnum just doesn’t have enough oomph to keep handgun hunters’ attention. Richard Mann

Introduced in 1982, the .32 H&R Magnum was a wonderful addition to Ruger’s Single Six. It offered more power than the .22 LR and the .22 Magnum, and it did not increase the size of the revolver. Unfortunately, as the .327 Federal Magnum has shown, the increase in power the .32 H&R Magnum offered was less than it should have been. The .32 H&R did develop a cult-like following, but it has struggled to survive since it was birthed. Common 85-grain .32 H&R Magnum loads have a muzzle velocity of about 1100 fps and generate about 220 foot-pounds of energy. By comparison, a 100-grain .327 Federal Magnum load has a velocity of about 1500 fps and will generate 500 foot-pounds of energy. Even though .32 H&R Magnum ammunition makes great light-recoiling practice loads for the fire-breathing .327, by itself it just never was “magnum” enough. Since it’s based on the .32 S&W Long, maybe a better name for it would have been the “.32 Extra Long.”

5. The .40 S&W: The FBI kills its own baby.

The once-popular .40 S&W is fading into the background. Richard Mann

A 1986 shootout in Miami left the FBI looking to swap the 9mm for another duty cartridge. Maybe the FBI was partly influenced by suave Miami Vice character Sonny Crocket who carried a Bren Ten, but they ended up choosing the 10mm and a new service pistol, the S&W Model 1076. Ultimately, the Bureau had issues with the Model 1076, and they settled on the 40 S&W, which is essentially a 10mm short. This new .40-caliber cartridge could use high-capacity magazines like a 9mm and hit hard like a .45 Auto. The cartridge took law enforcement by storm, and soon cops and concealed carriers nationwide had the ultimate compromise cartridge. But nothing lasts forever. Shooters struggled to get good hits with the .40, and years of ammunition development advanced the lighter-recoiling 9mm’s terminal performance. In 2015, the FBI returned to the cartridge that failed them in 1986 and essentially killed the .40 S&W. Ironically, as the cartridge fades into forgottenness, its father—the 10mm—is once again climbing to stardom.


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OK, waiting for users of these obsolete cartridges to show-up and express their outrage. 😎
1 posted on 05/24/2021 11:30:29 AM PDT by PROCON
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2 posted on 05/24/2021 11:30:59 AM PDT by PROCON (Our rights do not come from government, therefore they cannot take them away.)
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To: PROCON

This is clearly racist.


3 posted on 05/24/2021 11:32:07 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: PROCON

Maybe for the first four, but I think 40 S&W is not going anywhere. Way more popular than 10mm.


4 posted on 05/24/2021 11:32:47 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: PROCON

I’m outraged.


5 posted on 05/24/2021 11:32:48 AM PDT by BipolarBob (This is my chainsaw. There are many like it but this one is mine.)
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To: Magnum44

Agreed. overreach by the writer.


6 posted on 05/24/2021 11:33:38 AM PDT by BipolarBob (This is my chainsaw. There are many like it but this one is mine.)
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To: Magnum44

My exact thought as well.


7 posted on 05/24/2021 11:35:37 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to says it.)
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To: PROCON

We were told a few decades ago that we’d be using the metric system.


8 posted on 05/24/2021 11:35:42 AM PDT by Pollard
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To: Magnum44

I think the 41 mag hangs around too. The .327 Fed Magnum has overtaken the H&R.


9 posted on 05/24/2021 11:36:06 AM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues th the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: PROCON

I know some people who like the new 350 legend, because of the ammo availability, but people are starting to recognize that.

no one near me has any ammo at all except for shotgun shells, with the exception of one Chinese lady who has a little shop in an office park. She so happy to sell you anything you want, but you don’t even get free lube packets to help ease the money out of your wallet.


10 posted on 05/24/2021 11:36:30 AM PDT by algore
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To: PROCON

I am OUTRAGED that they would say this about the .32 ACP! Actually, it’s been pretty easy to find. I have an antique that’s a pleasure to shoot. Finding an extra magazine is where things get trickier.


11 posted on 05/24/2021 11:37:26 AM PDT by cdcdawg (It's all so tiresome.)
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To: PROCON

Well, apparently the lesson here is to never bring a 25 auto to a shovel fight.


12 posted on 05/24/2021 11:39:43 AM PDT by coloradan (They're not the mainstream media, they're the gaslight media. It's what they do. )
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To: PROCON

So I have to get rid of over 200rds of .40 for my S&W MP Shield?


13 posted on 05/24/2021 11:40:23 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Identify As Vaccinated)
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To: Magnum44

You are correct there are millions of 40S&W handguns out there.

Far more of them then a lot of others.

The only one I might agree with is the 32H@R.

Other then that they are all sticking around some time.


15 posted on 05/24/2021 11:41:16 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: BipolarBob

Yes, and; regardless of round, if it big enough one can drill into point and insert liquid mercury. Very deadly.


16 posted on 05/24/2021 11:41:21 AM PDT by Lumper20 (If one never served in war-He/she should never be a Gov. Department head.)
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To: Magnum44

Maybe for the first four, but I think 40 S&W is not going anywhere. Way more popular than 10mm.

Agree,

Have a S&W and SIG in that caliber.


17 posted on 05/24/2021 11:42:01 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: PROCON

The 41 Mag isn’t dead yet!


18 posted on 05/24/2021 11:42:56 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: PROCON

I still have the .25 caliber Baby Browning that my late father carried as an ankle gun when he was a police detective in Birmingham, AL back in the ‘50s.

Fun to shot, but probably wouldn’t stop much. When I asked him about that years ago, he said, “Yeah, but it would sting like hell!”

It might have helped that he was drilling out his own hollow points.


19 posted on 05/24/2021 11:43:49 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: cdcdawg

Agreed about the .32 ACP. I have a Bersa 32 that is reliable, accurate, and fun to shoot. The cartridge that started WW2 and ended Hitler’s life.


20 posted on 05/24/2021 11:44:05 AM PDT by thegagline
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