Posted on 06/11/2011 3:46:44 PM PDT by Kartographer
In today’s “modern” globalist economy, we have relied upon centralized and highly manipulated trade, forced interdependency, senseless and undisciplined consumption, endless debt creation, welfare addiction, and the erosion of quality, as a means to sustain a system that ultimately is DESIGNED to erode our freedoms not to mention our ability to effectively take care of ourselves. We have been infantized by our financial environment. In the near future, those who wish to live beyond a meager staple of government handouts (if any are even given) will be required to make a 180 degree reversal from their current lifestyle of dependency and immediate gratification towards one of self sufficiency, personal entrepreneurship, quality trade, and a mindset of necessity, rather than unfounded excess.
This means that each and every one of us will not only be driven to form barter networks outside the designated confines of the mainstream, we will have to become active producers within those networks. Each and every one of us will need to discover practical goods and skills that will be in high demand regardless of economic conditions. Being that our society has all but forgotten how this kind of trade works, let’s examine a short list of items as well as proficiencies that are sure to be highly sought after as the collapse progresses…
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A very good expamle of what I am talking about. I can see that happening, but only in ‘Red’ areas in ‘Blue’ ones he would be flashed mobbed and killed for his tomatoes.
>>I pray that we can keep it blow 15%, but unofficially we are almost there and we are just now entering the second dip. And once we do what happens to those that have already been out of work for years?<<
That is a WHOLE different thread. But with 85% employment, modern USA society will continue to plow ahead.
If I say what I think about people out of work for years people will just get mad at me.
Done.
You read my manual fast, speed reader or a rain man?
And unemployment at 33% or 40%?
>>And unemployment at 33% or 40%?<<
Or getting hit by a meteor? Or aliens that look like rhinos attacking?
If this administration, nor carter’s, couldn’t drive employment down that low, it probably won’t happen.
And, as I said, if that DOES happen and we are a 350 million person Haiti, neither the OP nor the ideas in Post #4 will be of any help. Because we will be “Beyond Thunderdome” and any planning is just survivalist paranoia.
>>You read my manual fast, speed reader or a rain man?<<
Rain reader.
Well we are already at unoffical unemployment rate of 15%+ so what do you think the next dip is going to bring? I sat at least that many again.
By the way this administration isn’t through yet not by a long shot.
bookmark Great post thank you!
>>I live in an area that allows a spring, fall and winter garden. I eat fresh produce year round and preserve what is needed otherwise. So when can I label my garden dependable? I really need to know.<<
Can you live on it? Do you trade your excess? If a heat wave were to hit would your garden survive?
My point isn’t so much that gardens aren’t good, but that they aren’t a good idea as anything other than a great supplement.
My underlying point is that if it gets so bad that a garden is your primary source of food then it has gotten so bad that we will need to re-examine our entire economic system.
I'm with you...all good on common sense preparedness, but not with the white sheet/hood hysteria offered up on occasion.
Deep breath time. A whole lotta FReepers need to draw themselves a reality chart.
jy8z-well stated.
I grew up in a rural farm community during the carter(spit) years. The seventies sucked economically speaking. Our family of five was more or less broke. Dad had a good job and Mom took care of the kids but the there were times when the summer garden kept us fed. My mom was a genius at turning broke food into good meals. Canning, freezing, making jelly out of wild fruit and berries... yeah my Momma did all that. My dad wasn’t much for hunting (it was a Vietnam thing) but my uncle made sure we had a deer almost every year.
Please do not presume that a garden is not a “dependable source of food”. It is way more useful and practical than a lot of other skills or hobbies.
The one guy I have spoken too who had lived through such a circumstance said that booze tops all. Even ammo and firearms. Because booze is a commodity sought by the armed young men you want working for you.
Speak for yourself weenie!
A good aricle worth reading. I especially like your comment on gold and silver. Too many today who buy “gold and silver” are really just buying shares in a hedge fund. Those will be worthless as well.
To Envisioning and waterhill: Be sure to read this.
Sugar is what yeastie beasties convert into alchohol. In whatever form, grape sugar for wine, malted barley sugar for beer, cane sugar for rum, corn sugar for (standing, hat in hand) Tennesee Sour Mash.
As far as tobacco goes, you might want to have some on hand to trade for booze. ;)
/johnny
Why is FR so angry these days?
“You don’t like my candidate: you are a liberal democratic party operative RINO-lover!”
“You don’t agree with simple post-’collapse’ scenarios, you are a ‘weenie.’”
It is clear that after a “collapse” the OP (and follow-up suggestions) don’t make a lot of sense. People are going to manufacture their own gasoline? Or they will saddle up Old Bess and run the buckboard into town? We are way past all that — it won’t work.
But even if you disagree, disagree with my point, not me.
Like I asked — what the hack has happened here? I have never seen people shouted down so quick and so rashly.
>>As far as tobacco goes, you might want to have some on hand to trade for booze. ;)<<
If I am trading tobacco for booze then we have gone to a prison economy. It may happen but there are other ways of influencing such an economy.
But I appreciate your wanting to help me keep the booze flowing: home made (using the sugar) or left in stores after the “collapse.”
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