Posted on 12/04/2009 9:55:41 PM PST by Gordon Greene
Arguing with Idiots… Part Deaux (A full-frontal assault on the Temple of Darwin) (Link to PDF).
(I know I’ve done rants like this before, but you guys are worth it!)
Dear worshippers of Darwin and lovers of self,
My personal (condensed) declaration of faith:
I believe in the God of the Bible. I believe in the Bible. I believe what it says. I believe, unashamedly that God is the Creator of the Universe and that He created it just as described in the Genesis account. I believe the only way to receive salvation is to believe and receive Jesus Christ as your savior. I believe that if you do not accept Jesus as your savior then you will spend eternity in the lake of fire, created for Satan and his followers… separated forever from God.
My personal (condensed) declaration of allegiance to American values:
I believe that the founding Fathers had faith in and worshipped the God of the Bible. I believe the Founders trusted God and the laws of God to be a guide and to provide the framework for what would become the United States of America. I believe that the Founders incorporated those values into our founding documents including the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. I believe that very same Godly, Biblical foundation is what has sustained us as a nation for over 200 years. I believe the same is why this nation has been blessed beyond any other nation in history. I believe forsaking those principles is what is plunging this country headlong into socialism. I believe if we, as a people do not turn back to God and to His truth, this great nation has seen its best days.
Now, my message to the evolutionists and atheists on freerepublic…
You continually disgrace and shame yourselves and this site by purposely attempting to offend those who believe in God and Creation and frankly, I'm amazed it has gone on this long. The honest debate over differences of opinion are welcome on this site (correct me if I’m wrong) but even more-so the promotion of the God-centered foundation of our country and government. Yet you make it a playground for your near-pornographic display of anti-Christian rhetoric. Do I and others respond in an other-than kind way from time to time? Absolutely! That's what people do when you offer a constant barrage of insults and deliver responses dripping with hollow, moral superiority. Like many, I tried at first to reason with you. I found that there is no reasoning with the true-believers in the Temple of Darwin (with rare exception, I must note). So I barb… it’s my way of dealing with it.
From time to time one of you may pretend to seek an honest argument or answer only to turn it into a battle of context, performing hopeless and pointless contortions of the English language. Your mental gymnastics are generally childlike and wholly unnecessary. All you would have to do is to say you don’t have the mental capacity to understand the argument and that would be that… but that is not your goal.
You have this sick wish to see those who literally interpret the Bible and faithful Christians into converts of the radical wing of the Temple of Darwin or, at the very least to make an example of their comments (unsuccessfully, as a general rule). Then you can take their replies to your Darwin’s Temple websites and display them in the midst of those ungodly freak shows.
Earlier, I was questioned as to whether it was fair of me to say that you lead children into hell. My question is, “Is it fair of you to do so?” In my estimation, that’s exactly what you’re doing when you shove your unfounded faith in dry bones down the throats of schoolchildren. You claim we have nothing on which to base our faith in God and Creation, yet I suggest to you there is no evidence of evolution in the way that you teach and believe it… no proof of inter-species evolution taking place and no evidence that life was formed in a way that disputes the Biblical account. There is much more circumstantial evidence in the Creation account in Genesis than what you place your faith in, yet that is not my primary argument this evening.
Here’s the beef: most of you troll posts with a religious bent for the express purpose of inserting chaos into the equation. In that, you are no better than the community organizers at ACORN. You attempt to confuse, divide, destroy and deride those who believe your religion to be false. Yet, your religion is more than false; it rises to the level of cult. Its followers are brainwashed by manufactured statistics as if Al Gore himself were beating on the pulpit, loudly testifying to the dangers of non-belief. And you not only believe the lies, you are some of its chief priests!
Like the climate mongers and the climatologists at CRU, your actions do have consequences. However, the disastrous effects of your insidious message are far more devastating than the physical and monetary cost of the climate hoax. Your target is the soul of man. Since the dawning of the Age of Darwinism, millions of men, women and children have fallen victim, maybe even you. And for those who claim to be Christian and evolutionists, I offer this from one of my recent responses…
“If you draw evolution out to its ultimate end it either:
A. Denies the existence of God.
B. Denies His relevance.
C. Boils the Word of God down to a collection of allegory.
Unlike a lot of folks that share my beliefs in God and Creation, I don’t believe that faith in evolution automatically excludes you from Christianity. People are in different stages of their walk and some find the truth more slowly than others but that doesn’t mean they aren’t saved. But if you follow the (il)logic of evolution very far, it discounts faith in the God of the Bible.”
That is to say most would have to conclude from studying Evolution that God does not exist. Being a priest and a disseminator of the gospel of Evolution is no different than being in a sinking ship and destroying the only life preserver because you believe if you can’t have it, no one else should.
If you were honest with yourselves you would admit there is no honest scientific evidence proving evolution. Most of you have heard the truth of the Bible and chosen to reject it. I personally believe (again… my personal belief) that you and those who promote the baseless theory of evolution will be judged by God for leading others to discount God as well.
Matthew 18:6 (New International Version)
6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
2 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version)
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Romans 1:22 (New International Version)
22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
Exodus 20:11 (New International Version)
11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
John 1:3 (New International Version)
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
2 Chronicles 7:14 (New International Version)
7If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
John Gano was chosen to be Washington’s personal chaplain of the portion of the Continental Army under his direct command. At the close of the war, Washington asked Gano to baptize him by immersion. (See the Evidence of General Washington’s Baptism by L.C. Barnes in the Archives of the American Baptist Historical Society, Rochester, N.Y.)
Although this event in history is doubted by some and even made fun of by modern historians, the evidence shows that it is a fact of history. General Washington was an Episcopalian. His pastor at Williamsburg, Virginia, was a Loyalist (Tory) in sympathy with the British Crown. It is no wonder that George Washington would sit outside the window of the Baptist church in New York City and listen to the preaching of Gano:
Cathcart Writing about John Gano:
~~snip~~
Any wonder that Washington should say of chaplains likeMr. Gano, (and there were other Baptists of his spirit) that “Baptist chaplains were the most prominent and useful in the Army?” (See William Cathcart, Baptist Encyclopedia, Vol. 1, P. 434.)
When the war was over, General Washington had John Gano give the final prayer of Thanksgiving.
There is a portrait of Gano baptizing Washington, Commissioned by the Gano Family. The portrait is hanging in the lobby at the John Gano Memorial Chapel in Liberty, Missouri.
Thank you so much, Gordon Greene, for these great sources!!!!
I don’t believe in evolution because of conclusive evidence. I believe it is the hypothesis best supported by a preponderance of evidence. As evidence is accumlated for (and against) the hypothesis, my support for it will adjust accordingly.
You believe in God based on no evidence but purely on your faith in His existance. That is fine.
The difference is that my position can be influenced by reason where yours, as you admit, cannot.
Now that you are done taking your bows can we get back to the part where you call those who believe in evolution idiots and explore how that applies to Catholics who comprose 99% of all of the Christians who have ever lived?
“(cough)Thomas Paine.”
And I’m sure there were more unbelievers than Thomas Paine. But their number is so few that my general statement is not a false one.
Thanks for the ping!
Bear in mind that recent world populations are much higher than before the Reformation. While the percentage of Christians who ever lived who were also Catholic is quite high (probably 75 to 80 percent), it certainly isn't 99%.
Just nitpicking...
Thanks for the ping!
Source?
There was also Thomas Jefferson and John Adams (many of the more prominent Founding Fathers were Unitarians and Deists). Given the caveat that your statement was a generalization it's certainly valid.
liberals who claim this isn’t a ‘Christian nation’ and, like you pointed out, falsely claim that our nation’s founders were ‘diests’, are obviously quite ignorant of our nation’s history. I don’t particularly like Newt Gingrich, but he has written about our nation’s history, and investigated much of it, and it’s VERY clear that the whole ‘seperation of church and state’ arguments are based on lies and false interpretations of hte constitution and false interpretations of the statements and intents of our founding fathers
Source? Imagination!
"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."
It is important to note that at the time of the signing of the Declaration of Independence Catholics could not hold office, exercise the franchise, educate their children in their faith, or worship in public in the colonies by edict of the Protestant Parliament and assemblies. I get a sense that many on FR would love to return to that state.
No, you just do it here.
Isn't this rather hypocritical?
The following quote from an octogenarian who had seen Washington when a boy in an incident illustrating Washington’s habit of prayer-—
New Haven, February 18, 1860
“To the Editors of the Evening Post”
“MR. PRINTER—In 1796, I heard the farmer referred to narrate the following incident. Said he, ‘When the British tropps held possession of New York, and the American army lay in the neighborhood of West Point, one morning at sunrise I went forth to bring home the cows. On passing a clump of brushwood, I heard a moaning sound, like a person in distress. On nearing the spot, I heard the words of a man at prayer. I stood behind a tree. The man came forth: it was George Washington, the captain of the Lord’s host in North America.’
“This farmer belonged to the Society of Friends, who, being opposed to the war on any pretext, were lukewarm, and, insome cases, opposed to the cause of the country. However, having seen the general enter the camp, he returned to his own house. ‘Martha,’ said he to his wife, ‘we must not oppose this war any longer. This morning I heard the man George Washington send up a prayer to Heaven for his country, and I know it will be heard.’
“This farmer dwelt between the lines, and sent Washinton many items concerning the movements of the enemy, which did good service to the good cause.
“From this incident we may infer that Washington rose with the sun to pray for his country, he fought for her at meridian, and watched for her in the silent hours of the night.
“Every editor of a newspaper, magazine or journal between Montauk Point and Oregon, if he has three drops of american blood in his veins, should publish this anecdote on the 22nd of February (Washington’s Birthday) while woods grow and waters run. This day I enter on my eighty-eighth year.
“Grant Thorburn Sr.”
Thomas Jefferson and John Adams
These men did neither disdain nor disrespect Christians.
Source for what; calling supporters of evolution idiots (see title of thread) or the numbers of Catholics?
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.
And:
In our Richmond there is much fanaticism, but chiefly among the women. They have their night meetings and prayer parties, where, attended by their priests, and sometimes by a hen-pecked husband, they pour forth the effusions of their love to Jesus, in terms as amatory and carnal, as their modesty would permit them to use a mere earthly lover.
He's certainly showing disdain towards some Christians in regards to their Christianity, but I don't recall him ever doing so towards Christians in general.
Thomas Paine is another matter, or course...
Prior to the reformation the Christian population had expanded and contracted several times due in part to plagues and conquest. The number is valid. However, even if, for arguments sake, the number were reduced to 89% or 79% the point is still valid.
Now that you are done taking your bows can we get back to the part where you call those who believe in evolution idiots and explore how that applies to Catholics who comprose 99% of all of the Christians who have ever lived?
Still waiting for a response...........
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