Posted on 12/04/2009 9:55:41 PM PST by Gordon Greene
Arguing with Idiots… Part Deaux (A full-frontal assault on the Temple of Darwin) (Link to PDF).
(I know I’ve done rants like this before, but you guys are worth it!)
Dear worshippers of Darwin and lovers of self,
My personal (condensed) declaration of faith:
I believe in the God of the Bible. I believe in the Bible. I believe what it says. I believe, unashamedly that God is the Creator of the Universe and that He created it just as described in the Genesis account. I believe the only way to receive salvation is to believe and receive Jesus Christ as your savior. I believe that if you do not accept Jesus as your savior then you will spend eternity in the lake of fire, created for Satan and his followers… separated forever from God.
My personal (condensed) declaration of allegiance to American values:
I believe that the founding Fathers had faith in and worshipped the God of the Bible. I believe the Founders trusted God and the laws of God to be a guide and to provide the framework for what would become the United States of America. I believe that the Founders incorporated those values into our founding documents including the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. I believe that very same Godly, Biblical foundation is what has sustained us as a nation for over 200 years. I believe the same is why this nation has been blessed beyond any other nation in history. I believe forsaking those principles is what is plunging this country headlong into socialism. I believe if we, as a people do not turn back to God and to His truth, this great nation has seen its best days.
Now, my message to the evolutionists and atheists on freerepublic…
You continually disgrace and shame yourselves and this site by purposely attempting to offend those who believe in God and Creation and frankly, I'm amazed it has gone on this long. The honest debate over differences of opinion are welcome on this site (correct me if I’m wrong) but even more-so the promotion of the God-centered foundation of our country and government. Yet you make it a playground for your near-pornographic display of anti-Christian rhetoric. Do I and others respond in an other-than kind way from time to time? Absolutely! That's what people do when you offer a constant barrage of insults and deliver responses dripping with hollow, moral superiority. Like many, I tried at first to reason with you. I found that there is no reasoning with the true-believers in the Temple of Darwin (with rare exception, I must note). So I barb… it’s my way of dealing with it.
From time to time one of you may pretend to seek an honest argument or answer only to turn it into a battle of context, performing hopeless and pointless contortions of the English language. Your mental gymnastics are generally childlike and wholly unnecessary. All you would have to do is to say you don’t have the mental capacity to understand the argument and that would be that… but that is not your goal.
You have this sick wish to see those who literally interpret the Bible and faithful Christians into converts of the radical wing of the Temple of Darwin or, at the very least to make an example of their comments (unsuccessfully, as a general rule). Then you can take their replies to your Darwin’s Temple websites and display them in the midst of those ungodly freak shows.
Earlier, I was questioned as to whether it was fair of me to say that you lead children into hell. My question is, “Is it fair of you to do so?” In my estimation, that’s exactly what you’re doing when you shove your unfounded faith in dry bones down the throats of schoolchildren. You claim we have nothing on which to base our faith in God and Creation, yet I suggest to you there is no evidence of evolution in the way that you teach and believe it… no proof of inter-species evolution taking place and no evidence that life was formed in a way that disputes the Biblical account. There is much more circumstantial evidence in the Creation account in Genesis than what you place your faith in, yet that is not my primary argument this evening.
Here’s the beef: most of you troll posts with a religious bent for the express purpose of inserting chaos into the equation. In that, you are no better than the community organizers at ACORN. You attempt to confuse, divide, destroy and deride those who believe your religion to be false. Yet, your religion is more than false; it rises to the level of cult. Its followers are brainwashed by manufactured statistics as if Al Gore himself were beating on the pulpit, loudly testifying to the dangers of non-belief. And you not only believe the lies, you are some of its chief priests!
Like the climate mongers and the climatologists at CRU, your actions do have consequences. However, the disastrous effects of your insidious message are far more devastating than the physical and monetary cost of the climate hoax. Your target is the soul of man. Since the dawning of the Age of Darwinism, millions of men, women and children have fallen victim, maybe even you. And for those who claim to be Christian and evolutionists, I offer this from one of my recent responses…
“If you draw evolution out to its ultimate end it either:
A. Denies the existence of God.
B. Denies His relevance.
C. Boils the Word of God down to a collection of allegory.
Unlike a lot of folks that share my beliefs in God and Creation, I don’t believe that faith in evolution automatically excludes you from Christianity. People are in different stages of their walk and some find the truth more slowly than others but that doesn’t mean they aren’t saved. But if you follow the (il)logic of evolution very far, it discounts faith in the God of the Bible.”
That is to say most would have to conclude from studying Evolution that God does not exist. Being a priest and a disseminator of the gospel of Evolution is no different than being in a sinking ship and destroying the only life preserver because you believe if you can’t have it, no one else should.
If you were honest with yourselves you would admit there is no honest scientific evidence proving evolution. Most of you have heard the truth of the Bible and chosen to reject it. I personally believe (again… my personal belief) that you and those who promote the baseless theory of evolution will be judged by God for leading others to discount God as well.
Matthew 18:6 (New International Version)
6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
2 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version)
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Romans 1:22 (New International Version)
22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
Exodus 20:11 (New International Version)
11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
John 1:3 (New International Version)
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
2 Chronicles 7:14 (New International Version)
7If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
I wonder. Is that anything like the evolutionists who call the creationists idiots?
The words *cretard* and *IDiot* come to mind.
It wouldn't be like that kind of name calling, now would it?
Oh, THANK YOU JOHN!!!
“We hear repeatedly on FR that Catholics are not really Christian and that they do not represent the conservative values of the FR community.”
Not from me. I don’t know what this thing is you have about Catholics. There is nothing in my writing that confronts Catholics, only what I believe and what I believe about our country and its founders.
You have a problem... this is part of the chaos thing I was talking about. You are the incarnation of ACORN for the Evo community... you’re trying to drive a wedge and it’s your entire purpose.
You willfully and purposely take every comment out of context then try to interject some Catholic bias into nearly every post. I can’t imagine you would be that dense so I have to assume you are determined to cause division.
If no one else is gonna call it, I’ll call it; you’re a troll.
It is my personal opinion this site would be a better place if you’d take your biases and go back to DU where you can preach your division with a grand reception. You might seem moderately intelligent among that crowd but here you’re just a squeaky wheel.
Of course I realize he’s Jewish.
That’s what enabled him to deal with the Hebrew in Genesis so well.
How is his rejection of Jesus as the Messiah relevant to his ability to interpret Genesis?
Tell me....
Is this science friendly Catholic Church the same Catholic Church that was involved in that Galileo thing?
Just wondering......
“Isn’t this rather hypocritical?”
Again, no.
I don’t think I’ve encountered you on any of the evolution posts before and, from what I’ve seen all of your questioning has been sincere and not motivated by anything but a real want to know. I completely respect that. Any generality that is implied is meant for a specific crowd of troublemakers (ironic, ain’t it?) on these threads and not for folks open to reasonable and honest debate and civil disagreement.
I have yet to see you twist words out of context or label those who disagree with you... if I’ve missed that then I’ll catch on sooner or later. In the meantime, it’s a pleasure to correspond with you. Your questions are perfectly fair and deserve a fair answer.
GG
Thank you for making my point. One doesn't have to scratch very deeply for the anti-Catholic bigotry to begin to hemorrhage.
It’s bigotry to recognize history?
What? Do you pretend that it doesn’t exist?
“Is this science friendly Catholic Church the same Catholic Church that was involved in that Galileo thing?”
Ooohhh.... you’re good.
The Catholic church has had its share of scandals and issues no doubt but so did America... we all learn and grow (with the occasional annoying exception). Honestly, if the Church head supports evolution then they are mistaken. However, the assumption that, as he continually puts it that ‘Billions’ of Catholics believe in evolution is entirely unfounded. He’s backed off of that in other threads before but he thinks it plays well enough to re-spin it. I’m not inclined to argue with him anymore. I’ll save it for those interested in truth and not stirring the pot.
Are you asking us to take him as an authority only when he agrees with you? If Jesus came in fulfillment of the Scriptures, which I am sure that we both agree to be true, those same Scriptures were written in the same Hebrew you claim he has special insight into. Can't you see your circular logic?
There’s no more evidence of the divinity of Christ in the archeological record than there is for the Greek gods in the archeological investigations into Homer’s Troy.
Try again.
Evolution doesn’t concern itslef with how life came to be... but you already knew that.
I have backed off of nothing. To be Catholic, as so many Freepers point out with regard to the abortion issue, one needs to be in Communion with the Church. Those who reject Church doctrine and teachings, regardless of the box they check on a census form, are not Catholic. Now stop trying to tell Catholics what we believe.
No, I take him as an authority because he speaks Hebrew and has a PhD.
Did you ever READ what he wrote? He does a great job of reconciling what Scripture says with what current scientific observations show without twisting either Scripture or science, snide remarks of the evos on that thread notwithstanding.
What problems do you have with his reasoning and conclusions?
“The difference is that my position can be influenced by reason where yours, as you admit, cannot.”
Nope... I never admitted any such thing.
Your answer: “No, I couldn’t.”
Yeah, I know that's what some evolutionists say, particularly on FR.
And I can understand why. It's just too complicating and embarrassing for them to deal with. Better to pretend that the first cells just pooped into existence than deal with the messy complications of what THEY evolved from.
And that is another reason that so many people realize that science does NOT have all the answers, much as they like to pretend they do.
“Now stop trying to tell Catholics what we believe.”
Refer to the title of my post... then note, once more that any Catholic reference in my posts was shoved in there by one Natural Law (is that your real name?). You have a problem and you need to see someone about it.
Try your priest for starters, then you might want to talk to God about it. He’s always there to listen.
I am not.
“In answer to my question: “So.... could you be reasoned out of your belief in God?”
Your answer: “No, I couldn’t.””
I sit corrected... now, if there is reason I’m willing to listen to it. Do you believe you can reason away God?
Begin.... now.
Do you want to include in the discussion the suppression of the Irish by Protestants, the Protestant Inquisition (yes, there was one), the witch trials conducted by Protestants, oppression of Catholics throughout the Nordic countries from the reformation through the 19th century, or more recently the actions of the German Christian (official Nazi Protestant) Church against the catholics who perished in the holocaust?
Not what I said.
“The Bible which archaeological discoveries have continued to find to be accurate in its historical record along with the historical certainty of the life of the person Jesus (of Nazareth/Christ),,,,just for a start.”
...is what I said.
The archaeological record has over and over been discovered to VALIDATE the historical record given in the Bible. Place names, country names, people names, times given - all are supported - not contradicted - by the archaeological record that has been uncovered.
Jesus (of Nazareth/Christ) - the main subject of the entire New Testament (and of course foretold in the Old Tesatment) - was a human being who lived and died - just as the Bible reports he did as attested to by non-Biblical sources such as Josephus, the jewish Historian.
If the Bible has been proved accurate in its historical record, including its record of the person of Jesus whose life is documented by non-Biblical sources then, REASON would indicate that the REST of the Bible’s assertions and claims are also, in fact, true.
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