Posted on 03/02/2009 5:31:49 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
President Barack Obama has hired an army of lawyers to prevent access to records that may show he is constitutionally unqualified to be president of the United States. Doesn’t that seem odd to you?
The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."
A California lawsuit seeking documentation from Occidental College that could verify the nationality under which Barack Obama entered the school has been filed by Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation, which has brought a lawsuit on behalf of Ambassador Alan Keyes over Obama's eligibility. Defense lawyers for Obama are trying to quash the request for Occidental records, arguing that any objections to Obama's presidential candidacy and victory should have been raised in Congress at the time of the Electoral College vote. However there was an effort to raise the question with the Electoral College but the court refused to intervene. Lt. Col. Donald Sullivan sought a temporary restraining order to stop the Electoral College vote in North Carolina until Barack Obama's eligibility could be confirmed, alleging doubt about Obama's citizenship but his case was denied.
As part of the suit filed by USJF, a subpoena was served on Occidental College for its records. School officials immediately contacted lawyers for Obama and said the demand would have to be answered unless they intervened. Obama's lawyers then submitted a demand to the court arguing the case was moot because the election was over and the correct place to resolve such concerns was in Congress now and challenges should have been made to the Electoral College who confirmed Obama’s election as president. [But as pointed out previously such an effort was timely made but was rebuffed.]
Papers filed on behalf of USJF also cautioned: "If MR. OBAMA is not constitutionally eligible to serve as President of the United States, then no act that he takes is, arguably, valid, the laws that he signs would not be valid, the protective orders that he signs would be null and void, and every act that he takes would be subject to legal challenge, both in Courts of the United States of America, and in International Courts, and that, therefore, it is important for the voters to know whether he, or any candidate for President in the future, is eligible to serve in that office."
Obama has refused to document his U.S. citizenship and as a result his eligibility to be president under the Constitution's requirement for a "natural born" citizen, have been challenged in court.
"MR. Obama’s actions to block any attempt to inquire into his status as a 'natural born citizen' raises questions which must be answered in order to avoid a situation where, perhaps several years in the future, it is discovered that he was not eligible to serve as President of the United States, and, therefore, all of his acts would be null and void, and that the resulting chaos could lead to a constitutional crisis, immobilizing the United States," the USJF said.
Obama supporters have all along stated that his birth certificate was posted on the internet web site. However the "Certification of Live Birth" which was actually posted doesn’t confirm a birth location. "[Hawaii] statute 138 allows foreign born children of HI residents to get HI [Certificates of Live Birth] and get them based on a statement of one relative only. While Hawaiian officials confirmed a birth certificate exists, they did not exclude the possibility it was "one obtained for a foreign born child." It is also noted that in Obama's immigration to Indonesia at age 5 he was considered an Indonesian citizen.
In addition to the USJF law suit, many other suits have been filed and all are documented in various article posted on the internet, including several described by WorldNet Daily. Some of the lawsuits question whether Obama was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. Some suits contend that if he was born out of the country and some contend that Obama's American mother was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.
Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth. This would make the father a dual citizen. However the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.
Although Obama could settle all questions about his eligibility to be president by simply producing his birth certificate or authorizing others to do so; instead, a series of law firms have been hired on Obama's behalf around the nation to prevent any public access to his birth certificate, passport records, college records and other documents.
Obama has refused to document his U.S. citizenship and, therefore, his eligibility to be president under the Constitution's requirement for a "natural born" citizen.
What do you conclude from this?
Yep.
“... hanged as traitors...”
DITTO!
Textbook Quid Pro Quo.
John McCain is not "natural born", because he was born at the Coco Solo U.S. Air Base. Any pregnant Panamanian woman could have been driven on base and dropped her kid there.
John McCain is "natural born" because both of his parents were U.S. citizens and they were overseas because his father was an active duty U.S. Naval officer defending the United States of America. THAT is what makes John McCain "natural born".
Obsessing about geography and ignoring parentage would make the son of two al Qaeda operatives planning to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge eligible for the Presidency because his mother popped him out in New York City the day after the bridge blew up but the son of a wounded U.S. Medal of Honor recipient would not be eligible for the Presidency of the United States because he was born at Landstuhl Army Hospital in Germany while going to see her wounded husband.
I don’t think so. If he’s not legitimate, then anything he signs is invalid. It seems that by now they could have invented a good forgery, however. Perhaps he’ll show it soon enough, but so much time has elapsed, it’ll be likely a forged document. He should not have delayed this.
I think that the standard Obamite response to the "Statute 138" argument is that it was not in effect when Obama was born. Even if that is correct, there was probably a similar statute in effect. All states have to deal with resident mothers who give birth abroad, who want for their kids to have clear documentation of American citizenship. Did Obama's mother use Hawaii's 1961 solution to that problem?
Obama has still not produced a birth certificate that names the hospital where he was born, or that shows the printed name and the signature of the doctor or midwife who delivered him. If he was not born in Hawaii, that documentation will never be available. If he was born in Hawaii, that documentation should be immediately available, and it should long ago have been released to the public.
It is just astonishing that this controversy is still unresolved, and that so few people are trying to resolve it. This seems like a variation on the Emperor's New Clothes fable, that is missing the little boy. In this version, everyone agrees that the Emperor's clothes look fabulous, and the story ends.
Do you have a link that confirms that?
That would confirm my theory that the real reason that the birth certificate is being hidden is that it would expose Obama as a race hustler that figured out that, in Politically Correct America, "Barack Obama", the son of an African, has a political advantage over "Barry Dunham", the son of a white, single mother.
Do I believe that the birth certificate cover up has to do with Obama being foreign born?
No, I don't, although many on FR might vehemently disagree with me.
I am sure that the FBI, under the Bush Administration, has checked this out. Running for the Presidency if you are ineligible would have been a Federal crime and the Bush Administration would not have just sat there with it's head up it's arse. It would have been on that like a pitbull on a pork chop.
However, although it is a Federal crime to violate the Constitution, it is not a Federal crime to play The Race Card.
So, the original birth certificate of "Barry Dunham", the son of a white, single mother will remain hidden because "the original birth certificate would cause such a degree of embarrassment that it would cause actual harm" to the hyped persona of "Barack Obama".
That is my theory until I am proved wrong.
Who among us has an original birth certificate that "would cause such a degree of embarrassment that it would cause actual harm"?
Only those of us with something to hide.
Don't believe everything you hear. Often, such as in this case, it's not true.
Yes it does. Either this woman is illiterate, or she hasn't even looked at the COLB. It very clearly indicates Honolulu as the location of birth.
He doesn't because it's not true.
It's just another one of lies of Berg, the 9-11 truther.
He doesn't because it's not true. It's just another one of lies of Berg, the 9-11 truther.
Oh, well, I still stand by my theory:
1. If Obama were not "natural born" IAW the Constitution, the FBI during the Bush Administration would have been all over that issue.
2. If Obama did not have something that is now embarrassing, but perfectly legal to hide ("I was named Barry Dunham at birth"), he would have released his original birth certificate months ago and would have made all these questions go away.
“Don’t believe everything you hear. Often, such as in this case, it’s not true.”
I’ve heard different numbers tossed about. Likely, the truth is somewhere in between the two extremes.
If Obama has been lying about the place of his birth, the day that something credible gets leaked, or the truth is known outright, the markets will actually rally big time, Constitutional crisis or not. Even if he’s not driven out of office, he will be the lamest duck ever to stumble on two webs.
Obama’s actions reflect those of someone who cares less about this country - a clear indicator of a less-than-patriotic person. this is what the founding fathers knew they had to prevent.
Recall his refusal to weat flags, his present destruction of the US economy, his new agreements with Russia to dismantle our missle shield, the same shield which Reagan successfully used to win the Cold War.
This is a pernicious 'fix', to end the Constitutional Republic and slide in the socialist federal oligarchy in finality, not just niggling usurpations of We The People with things like a federal reserve or Roe v Wade, or the IRS, but full and final abrogation of the contract carried out by the congressional and judicial branches of the federal heirarchy, to establish an executive more than eager to establish the socialist federal oligarchy and end the sovereignty of We The People.
And when the information is sourced and posted, will you agreed to leave FR and return to the dungpile under Barry’s throne from whence you arose to sully FR with your kneepad sycophancy?
The problem with numbers that get "tossed about" is that usually someone just made them up, as in this case.
Self Ping
I have a simpler explanation. Like many people, he doesn't have the original, long-form certificate (I don't have mine). When he needed a birth certificate, he ordered one from Hawaii, and they sent him the COLB that's posted on the internet. So like many people, all he has is a certified short-form abstract of his birth record, which is all he needs for all practical purposes. It's good enough to get a passport and prove birth in Hawaii for all legal purposes. There is literally no need for him to have the long form.
He doesn't go get a copy of his original long form because 1) the short from is enough to satisfy any sane person and 2) he doesn't care about the lunatic fringe that demands to see the long-form.
Besides, releasing the long form would not make any questions go away. If he released it, the conspiracy nuts would claim that Hawaii had lax standards, and that it is possible for a baby born in Kenya to have a long form like Obama's.
You'd be hearing Jo Farah saying, "the release of the original birth ciertificate raises more questions than answers."
Then some anonymous, tinfoil-hat-wearing individuals on the internet with phony Ph.D.'s would present some absurd "analysis" proporting to show that the long-form he released is a forgery.
Then they'd redouble their efforts pushing the Indonesian citizenship claim, as well as the claim that he's not a natural born citizen because his Father was not a US citizen.
Nothing will satisfy the birthers, mark my words. You are not dealing with sane people.
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