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Obama is not what we want
Gadsden Times ^ | 2/6/09 | Ed Pullen

Posted on 02/07/2009 8:19:40 AM PST by classical artist

Barack Obama’s paternal grandmother has sworn she was present when Barack was born in Kenya. His backers provided a fake certificate of birth, which didn’t fool many people. He was born August 1961 and the certificate was printed on a form revised November 2001. The certificate’s number was also blocked out. A lawyer in PA., Philip Berg, sued Obama and the DNC to get the "proof" that Obama was a natural born U.S. citizen. U.S. District Court Judge R. Barclay Surrick dismissed the suit, saying the lawyer had no standing to challenge Obama’s citizenship. The judge did not explain what this meant. At present, there are eight other states ready to file lawsuit on this. The constitution was not created to have people "thumb their nose" at it, but as a rock solid rule to help our country live long and prosper. There is a lot of housecleaning to be done, but who is going to do it? Unless things change, don’t be surprised if our next president turns out to be "Arnold" or even Hugo Chavez.


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: berg; bho2008; bho2009; bho44; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; constitution; constitutionisdead; democratscandals; eligibility; ineligible; obamanoncitizenissue; obamatruthfile; orly; orlytaitz; taitz; truthers
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To: this is my country
I refuse to give on the BC issue.

If you want to be marginalized, that's your business

To me it’s the same as saying an illegal alien has rights when they have no business being here.

Not even close to the same.

An illegal alien has no standing, no legal right, no legal paperwork to claim citizenship, where Zero has already proven at least to the SCOTUS, he minimally is legal, or there isn't enough evidence to claim otherwise

Granted, I'm not saying he is a citizen, I really don't know either for sure, but the BC issue has been settled and is a distraction to a larger issue.

21 posted on 02/07/2009 9:16:09 AM PST by Popman (One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three is a Congress - John Adams)
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To: classical artist
The very best thing everyone can do is to talk to everyone you know and get the voters turned out for the senate and house. Then with a majority being republican, they can then bring about the BC issue and have him removed. At that point all of his bills and executive orders will become obsolete.

I know.....good in theory.

22 posted on 02/07/2009 9:19:32 AM PST by nbhunt
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To: classical artist
I am not a lawyer but I do believe that SCOTUS does love the Constitution & will protect it.

Sorry, but your ignorance is showing.

If you anything about the SCOTUS, you would know only maybe four justices actually care what the Constitution says. The rest look to the larger body of laws to make their decisions and ruling. The US Constitution is not their default position

23 posted on 02/07/2009 9:21:02 AM PST by Popman (One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three is a Congress - John Adams)
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To: Popman
For you it's settled, not for me.
24 posted on 02/07/2009 9:24:05 AM PST by this is my country
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To: karibdes

If Obama continues down the path he’s on now, the bc issue may just surface. He’s making too many people mad.


25 posted on 02/07/2009 9:37:56 AM PST by dandiegirl
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To: this is my country
For you it's settled, not for me.

No, not really, I'd LOVE to see Obama being forced to show his real BC, but it isn't going to ever happen. Never.

The damage to this country would be immense, we are on the brink now on how much we trust the representatives people in DC, if Obama was impeached over a BC issue, race relationship would be set back twenty years, the cycle of petty partisan politics would never end.

The ruling powers in the country will not let that happen.

Better we let a faux phoney messiah govern for four years or have real crimes and misdemeanor to impeach him on than deal with the long term damage of impeaching the first black president over what most people consider a minor issue that can't be proved

BTW, I'm all for partisan politics, but since Iran Contra affair it pretty much been petty partisan politics which would hurt us all in the long run.

26 posted on 02/07/2009 9:38:07 AM PST by Popman (One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three is a Congress - John Adams)
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To: Popman
The damage to this country would be immense, we are on the brink now on how much we trust the representatives people in DC, if Obama was impeached over a BC issue, race relationship would be set back twenty years, the cycle of petty partisan politics would never end.

Let me ask you this question. Suppose Obama comes out and admits he was born in Kenya and in fact he lied about his citizenship status and wants to set the record straight. Suppose he said he was trying to amend the constitution, posthumously, by serving as President. What should be done at that point? Also, do you think it will cause more harm to our country if Obama reveals it himself or if it is revealed through other means?

27 posted on 02/07/2009 10:05:40 AM PST by this is my country
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To: this is my country
Suppose he said he was trying to amend the constitution, posthumously, by serving as President

I think you used the word posthumously incorrectly. Posthumously means after death. In other words you are stating that the constitution has died and....

Wait. Never mind.

Barack Obama was elected and so....

28 posted on 02/07/2009 10:20:09 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: this is my country

Of course if he admits on his own he was born in Kenya it would be an entirely different thing ratherthan accuse him though impeachment and drag the country though a terrible ordeal which he would win with todays congress

If he admits it he should step down immediately

But that is likely to happen as soon as monkeys flying out of my arse tommorrow


29 posted on 02/07/2009 10:21:17 AM PST by Popman (One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three is a Congress - John Adams)
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To: Responsibility2nd

By jove, you got it!


30 posted on 02/07/2009 10:23:25 AM PST by this is my country
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To: Popman
Of course if he admits on his own he was born in Kenya it would be an entirely different thing ratherthan accuse him though impeachment and drag the country though a terrible ordeal which he would win with todays congress

He is dragging us through this terrible ordeal not the other way around. Blame the perpetrator, not the victims

If he admits it he should step down immediately

Well that's the point. He wouldn't admit it just to step down. He will have altered our constitution without the consent of the people while justifying his deceit. Remember the word in the title of his book "audacity".

31 posted on 02/07/2009 10:40:27 AM PST by this is my country
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To: this is my country

If you mean by terrible ordeal not clearing up his BC issue, I’m afraid a very few people are being put though it, mainly “birthers”
The rest of the country hardly cares.


32 posted on 02/07/2009 10:54:47 AM PST by Popman (One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three is a Congress - John Adams)
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To: All; this is my country; classical artist

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CHAOS = The 1st Tool of a Communist Takeover

CHAOS = A Constitutionally ineligible POTUS exposed then doesn’t leave office, or is forced out by the Judicial Branch to the great distain of his supporters

CHAOS = Same POTUS’ anti-Freedom Activist supporters BILL AYERS & TOM HAYDEN walking around with the biggest smiles on their faces since last November’s National Election

CHAOS = “After 4 or 5 decades, we are finally going to be able to really get something done around here” ..Anti Freedom activist TOM HAYDEN on TV, December 2008

What, Me Worry..?

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33 posted on 02/07/2009 1:59:15 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com11)
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To: hoosiermama
Hoosiermama: Please post your essay here.

Hollister v. Soetoro: Judge Denies Specific Motions in Pending Case

02/07/2009 1:42:14 AM PST · #62
holden to Star Traveler; curiosity; Lurking Libertarian; FreeManN; Calpernia; hoosiermama

do what all the other candidates have been required to do in the past

This line of reasoning, though convenient as it is misleading, is obfuscatory of the numerous contradictions and loopholes in the 0bama story.

Other candidates have perhaps done as little as show their American passport, but in Barry's case, wouldn't it raise an eyebrow to know that noone named Barack Obama carried a US passport before he was given his diplomatic US passport upon becoming a US Senator? This despite his claims and knowable information that Barry traveled abroad extensively as an adult? In the words of the immortal Shrek (or is that Mike Myers?), "Doesn't that bother you?"

The way the 57th State of Hawaii has been known to give out CsOLB, foreigners have been known to have shown that they can absolutely hide where the identified person was born. "Doesn't that bother you?"

Barry's produced COLB has been shown by multiple document experts to contain many features of forged and altered documents. Apparently Barry is not new to submitting false and misleading documents, as this apparently happened--and was even confirmed indirectly by Barry's own memoirs--with his bar exam and his purported Selective Service registration, which has been conclusively shown to be an altered document, with what purports to be his signature. "Doesn't that bother you?"

Barry's immediate family members--with at best a disincentive to lie--have claimed they were present when--or otherwise know that--Barry was born in Kenya, which would of course eliminate him from eligibility for the presidency. "Doesn't that bother you?"

There is evidence that after the age of majority Barry purposefully got a passport that required his forswearing any allegiance to the US. "Doesn't that bother you?"

There are people for whom the implications of such cognitive dissonance threaten the US Constitution, which should, of course, be considered the foundation of our legal system. If one knocks out one of the building blocks that hold up the building, there could be cracks, severe cracks, and the whole building could come down at some point. One ought to take due care about such things if one cares about maintenance of the building and doesn't relish dramatic civilian upheaval. Or don't they teach that in publik skoolz anymore?

There are people who, while claiming to be curious, are decidedly incurious when it comes to all the above matters. One very reasonably questions the intelligence and nature of the information upon which such people work, even as one can easily imagine the time-honored financial compensation system under which such have lost all fealty to "competing systems".

There are people--amply represented on FR--to whom these Constitutional issues seemingly mean little, are quickly torn down, to become fodder for rationalizations of all type on the anti-Constitutional side of the issue. These people's indifference, ignorance and willing dismissal of all such impacts quite correctly gets Freepers' "shorts in a bunch."

In no other eligibility for the presidency case has a candidate spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees to hide evidence which could dispel these counter-evidences. That fact, particularly in the context of all the other problems, shows Zero to be anything but transparent, and hence a liar to his much-trumpeted claim to the contrary. These troublesome things snowball by 0's and its followers' behaviors, to be of great concern, only reasonably. If Barry hadn't had $900M to spend kicking up an obfuscatory cloud, we might have wondered how all this logical dissonance could exist. But, 0 did have such a treasure trove, and it obviously values the prize.

In light of cases, e.g., GHWB, or W, where there was never a doubt about qualification, where there were no such contradictions, no particular counter-evidence, and yea, a mountain of confirmatory evidence, no swarm of paid Alinsky-esque obfuscators, it might indeed have been reasonable to accept one's passport credentials. In Barry's case, with all these troubling factors present, the One simply needs to halt the fight against Constitutional requirements, drop the $10 on Hawai'i, and do the right thing that everyone else might move on to do the right things as well.

HF


34 posted on 02/07/2009 2:03:18 PM PST by holden
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To: holden

Great essay, holden. Thanks.


35 posted on 02/07/2009 2:46:48 PM PST by Faith
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To: Frantzie

Hasn’t Rush always said that all the important stuff happens when he is off? I’m hoping he’s back on Monday and launches into a tirade before they vote, especially against Specter, Collins and whoever the 3rd RINO was.


36 posted on 02/07/2009 3:07:16 PM PST by Scanian
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To: this is my country

Those other “serious issues” are so grave and egregious that more people will be looking at the eligibility problem before long. People are getting wise. Fewer are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Rasmussen shows his approval rating down again today:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history


37 posted on 02/07/2009 3:12:41 PM PST by Scanian
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To: Popman

SCOTUS hasn’t had the guts to settle diddly, one way or another-—that’s the worst part of the whole problem for me. Saying “no standing” over and over doesn’t settle squat. Gutless wonders!


38 posted on 02/07/2009 3:14:57 PM PST by Scanian
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To: classical artist
Wow. Just about every factual claim in that article is false. I've never seen so much misinforation put in a single place!

Whoever wrote this "article" must have set a record of some sort.

39 posted on 02/07/2009 3:57:35 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Scanian
SCOTUS hasn’t had the guts to settle diddly, one way or another-—that’s the worst part of the whole problem for me. Saying “no standing” over and over doesn’t settle squat. Gutless wonders!

By ruling "no standing" is their way to say, Thanks, but no thanks, last time we jumped into Presidential politics we were accused of all sorts of nefarious things.

You can thank Al Gore and the Florida Supreme Court for that

The SCOTUS is absolutely loath to step into Presidential politics again especially if the "evidence" is weak or not relevant. Yeah, stuff like evidence happens to be important if they are going to hear the case and possibility overrule the will of the people in a general election and rule Obama not eligible. Ain't going to happen

I have been one of many here who have been warning people who are stuck on this issue to take a deep breath and realize this isn't the hill to die on.

40 posted on 02/07/2009 4:35:31 PM PST by Popman (One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three is a Congress - John Adams)
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