Posted on 02/05/2009 2:45:47 PM PST by classical artist
The following Order from DC District Court Judge James Robertson was issued for Hollister v. Soetoro yesterday:
ORDER
Plaintiff’s motion to file interpleader and deposit funds with the court [#2] is frivolous and is denied. His motion to shorten time for defendants to respond to his complaint [#3] is moot and is denied. The motions of his counsel [#4, #5] for the admission pro hac vice of Philip J. Berg and Lawrence J. Joyce are in abeyance until the Court has had the opportunity, in open court, to examine their credentials, their competence, their good faith, and the factual and legal bases of the complaint they have signed. JAMES ROBERTSON United States District Judge
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This line of reasoning, though convenient as it is misleading, is obfuscatory of the numerous contradictions and loopholes in the 0bama story.
Other candidates have perhaps done as little as show their American passport, but in Barry's case, wouldn't it raise an eyebrow to know that noone named Barack Obama carried a US passport before he was given his diplomatic US passport upon becoming a US Senator? This despite his claims and knowable information that Barry traveled abroad extensively as an adult? In the words of the immortal Shrek (or is that Mike Myers?), "Doesn't that bother you?"
The way the 57th State of Hawaii has been known to give out CsOLB, foreigners have been known to have shown that they can absolutely hide where the identified person was born. "Doesn't that bother you?"
Barry's produced COLB has been shown by multiple document experts to contain many features of forged and altered documents. Apparently Barry is not new to submitting false and misleading documents, as this apparently happened--and was even confirmed indirectly by Barry's own memoirs--with his bar exam and his purported Selective Service registration, which has been conclusively shown to be an altered document, with what purports to be his signature. "Doesn't that bother you?"
Barry's immediate family members--with at best a disincentive to lie--have claimed they were present when--or otherwise know that--Barry was born in Kenya, which would of course eliminate him from eligibility for the presidency. "Doesn't that bother you?"
There is evidence that after the age of majority Barry purposefully got a passport that required his forswearing any allegiance to the US. "Doesn't that bother you?"
There are people for whom the implications of such cognitive dissonance threaten the US Constitution, which should, of course, be considered the foundation of our legal system. If one knocks out one of the building blocks that hold up the building, there could be cracks, severe cracks, and the whole building could come down at some point. One ought to take due care about such things if one cares about maintenance of the building and doesn't relish dramatic civilian upheaval. Or don't they teach that in publik skoolz anymore?
There are people who, while claiming to be curious, are decidedly incurious when it comes to all the above matters. One very reasonably questions the intelligence and nature of the information upon which such people work, even as one can easily imagine the time-honored financial compensation system under which such have lost all fealty to "competing systems".
There are people--amply represented on FR--to whom these Constitutional issues seemingly mean little, are quickly torn down, to become fodder for rationalizations of all type on the anti-Constitutional side of the issue. These people's indifference, ignorance and willing dismissal of all such impacts quite correctly gets Freepers' "shorts in a bunch."
In no other eligibility for the presidency case has a candidate spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees to hide evidence which could dispel these counter-evidences. That fact, particularly in the context of all the other problems, shows Zero to be anything but transparent, and hence a liar to his much-trumpeted claim to the contrary. These troublesome things snowball by 0's and its followers' behaviors, to be of great concern, only reasonably. If Barry hadn't had $900M to spend kicking up an obfuscatory cloud, we might have wondered how all this logical dissonance could exist. But, 0 did have such a treasure trove, and it obviously values the prize.
In light of cases, e.g., GHWB, or W, where there was never a doubt about qualification, where there were no such contradictions, no particular counter-evidence, and yea, a mountain of confirmatory evidence, no swarm of paid Alinsky-esque obfuscators, it might indeed have been reasonable to accept one's passport credentials. In Barry's case, with all these troubling factors present, the One simply needs to halt the fight against Constitutional requirements, drop the $10 on Hawai'i, and do the right thing that everyone else might move on to do the right things as well.
HF
Very well said.
Typical shill strategy. They only seem to show up in the BC threads so he still is concerned.
Unsubstantiated rumors propagated by fringe websites and blogs with zero credibility don't bother me, no.
The way the 57th State of Hawaii has been known to give out CsOLB, foreigners have been known to have shown that they can absolutely hide where the identified person was born. "Doesn't that bother you?"
It doesn't bother me because it is not true.
Barry's produced COLB has been shown by multiple document experts to contain many features of forged and altered documents.
No it hasn't. Some anonymous guy on the internet, who claims to have a Ph.D. that can't be verified, wrote an amateurish hackjob claiming such a thing. I am not bothered by nonsense.
Apparently Barry is not new to submitting false and misleading documents, as this apparently happened--and was even confirmed indirectly by Barry's own memoirs--with his bar exam and his purported Selective Service registration, which has been conclusively shown to be an altered document, with what purports to be his signature. "Doesn't that bother you?"
It doesn't bother me because it is not true.
Barry's immediate family members--with at best a disincentive to lie--have claimed they were present when--or otherwise know that--Barry was born in Kenya,
Yet another claim that keeps getting repeated over and over again on the internet that turns out not to be true, yet believed by too many well-meaning but gullible people such as you. Do you not bother to check the facts that bloggers present to you, or do you accept everything you read on WorldNutDaily or NewsMax on faith?
There is evidence that after the age of majority Barry purposefully got a passport that required his forswearing any allegiance to the US.
Also not true.
There are people for whom the implications of such cognitive dissonance threaten the US Constitution, which should, of course, be considered the foundation of our legal system.
The real threat to the constitution is a populace prone to believe and act upon unsubstantiated rumor and maliciously spread falsehoods. Thank goodness people like you are only the fringe.
In no other eligibility for the presidency case has a candidate spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees to hide evidence which could dispel these counter-evidences.
Pray tell, what is your evidence that Obama has spend the said amount? I have done quite a bit of research on this topic, and I can say with great confidence that there is no evidence he has spent a cent on it.
It is true he hid some things for political reasons, but none of there were relevant to his natural born status.
Isn't that a bit of an overstatement on your part?
Too many of your statements are simply frivolous, without any redeeming value (such as humor).
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2173484/posts?page=36#36
Perhaps. Let me rephrase.
There is nothing on the long form, relevant to his eligibility for the presidency, that is not also on the short form.
Just in case that's not clear, the only information on the long form that is relevant to the presidency is the country of birth. That information is also on the short form.
Clear enough?
That may be the case (not my area of interest or expertise, so I don't get involved) if the long form exists and the short form accurately reflects what is on the long form. I did not italicize or bold the "if", but I'm sure your eye was drawn to it anyways, since you are such a stickler for details :)
You're in line with a great many thinkers on that score, eh? --NOT! Freedom-loving people expending their own energy and expressing their beliefs as they see fit are--according to you--"the real threat to the" Constitution. You're absolutely laughable when you get away from your talking points! They pay you to stick to them, so do better next time, please.
there is no evidence [Soetero] has spent a cent on [BC-related legal fees].
If your knowledge and claim are correct, it could ony mean Soetero doesn't pay his own legal bills, which wouldn't surprise any of us anyway. The point, however, remains the same: Barry's decision has caused expenditure of several hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep documentation of his life hidden, despite his public lies about transparency.
If one accepts your inside knowledge and representation here, it is only more troubling that there is a chance his string-pullers or the tax-payers are ultimately footing the bill.
HF
There is not a shred of evidence that anyone, either Obama or any of his donors, has spent a dime to keep hidden any documents relating to his birth.
Barry's decision has caused expenditure of several hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep documentation of his life hidden,
Prove it.
IIRC, among all the presidents, only Arthur and Obama have had a parent who was born in foreign country and was still a citizen of that country. As I understand it, Donofrio's argument was that dual citizenship at birth does prevent one from being a "natural born citizen". I know that that there is quite a bit of controversy about the definition of "natural born" and I gather that this has not been fully settled by the courts.
Yes, and neither of them ever did anything to hide that fact.
As I understand it, Donofrio's argument was that dual citizenship at birth does prevent one from being a "natural born citizen".
Yup, that's his argument, and it has exactly zero merit.
I know that that there is quite a bit of controversy about the definition of "natural born" and I gather that this has not been fully settled by the courts.
Nope. It was settled in US v. Wong Kim Ark.
Thank you for appreciating my effort. I meant every syllable. hussein represents the most dire domestic threat to constitutional liberty that I have ever seen in my lifetime, and i am including the Cold War threat.
Obama's CoLB has not been shown to have features of a forged document because the "experts" making the claim of forgery have not examined the document, they make their claims based on a digitized reproduction of the CoLB published on the internet. The image of the CoLB on the internet IS NOT the CoLB.
I still have my original SS card that I signed as a teenager - the signature is nothing like my signature now. No, it doesn't bother me at all that his signatures don't match.
That dodge may have served in decades past, but in fact, current technology nonetheless allows many observations to be valid based on the high-resolution scans that Soetero has released through DailyKOS and FactCheck.org, since Barry's lawyer has affirmed Soetero's complicity in its release.
Just as Buckhead did not have to handle an original to posit valid, crucial and damning observations about Dan Rather/Mary Mapes-produced documents, current experts aren't ipso facto limited and even incapable of having shown certain inconsistencies that are evidence of alterations, which, by the documents own statements, are evidence of tampering that would invalidate the document.
I believe it probably is Barry's signature on the forged Selective Service registration, which would only serve to prove he's the source of the fraudulent official governmet documents. If you don't know why, google the copious information that's already been posted elsewhere on this trés important document.
HF
Perhaps if those turning to the courts to force Obama to present a copy (nobody gets the original) of his "vault" birth certificate, paid more attention to the "legalistic" and technical", their cases wouldn't be rejected over and over again.
That dodge may have served in decades past, but in fact, current technology nonetheless allows many observations to be valid based on the high-resolution scans that Soetero has released through DailyKOS and FactCheck.org, since Barry's lawyer has affirmed Soetero's complicity in its release.
In your own words, what are those valid observations?
Just as Buckhead did not have to handle an original to posit valid, crucial and damning observations...
Buckhead turned out to be correct in the same way that a stopped clock is correct twice a day. His observations, however, were not valid.
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