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Posted on 10/17/2004 8:40:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
The discovery of a 2,300-year-old shipwreck between the classical trading centers of Rhodes and Alexandria adds to the corpus of evidence that is challenging the long-held assumption that ancient sailors lacked the navigational skills to sail large distances across open water, and were instead restricted to following the coastline during their voyages. Four other possibly ancient wrecks lie nearby... Despite its depth, the site is typical for an ancient shipwreck. The vessel came to rest on the bottom and eventually listed over onto its side. In this case, the ship heeled over to port. As its wooden hull lost structural integrity, the ship's port side flattened out under the weight of the amphoras that had tumbled over it. The starboard portion of the hull, held upright because of the list and unburied by amphoras or sediment, succumbed to erosion and decay. The wreck's amphora cargo forms a more or less oval mound approximately 80 feet long and 50 feet wide and tapers in height and width from the center of the ship to the bow and stern. At least six different types of wine amphoras have been identified, including containers from the islands of Rhodes and Kos; there may be as many as 2,500 amphoras present at the site... The great depth and cold of the sea may even have preserved a portion of the ship's hull. Two small wooden members--a frame or deck beam and a small segment of thin planking--protrude from the sediment at the edge of the forward-port area of the wreck. They appear to be well preserved, which makes the possibility for preservation of the remainder of the port side of the vessel promising.
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Hugged the coast my ass -- buncha modern landlubbers.In an Ancient Wreck, Clues to Seafaring LivesIn Homer's epics, mariners tell of sailing far and wide across the Mediterranean, of braving fierce storms, of traveling for days on end with no land in sight. But modern scholars had doubts. Distrust about the actual routes grew with the discovery of numerous old wrecks in shallow waters. In time, the ancient sailors were viewed as hugging the coasts, mostly keeping in sight of land. The heroic tales were probably fabulous, many scholars argued, and the mariners more timid than their boasts. Now, the discovery of an ancient wreck in the middle of the Mediterranean is strengthening the old claims. The wreck site, some 200 miles from Cyprus and nearly two miles deep, has been tentatively dated as 2,300 years old; it lies amid a graveyard of similar hulks. Clearly Greek in origin, it is the deepest ancient ship ever discovered... The discovery team believes that the ship was a Hellenistic trader sailing between Rhodes and Alexandria, and that the clay jars were carrying wine. "This was a supertanker of the ancient world," said Brett A. Phaneuf of the Institute of Nautical Archaeology of Texas A&M University, who is helping analyze the find.
by William J. Broad
March 27, 2001
from NYTimes
Deep Sea Explorers DiscoverIn the spring of 1999, Nauticos searched for and found a missing Israeli submarine that disappeared 31 years ago. Its sonar equipment detected several mysterious objects some 10,000 feet below the surface. A state-of-the-art remotely operated vehicle revealed shipwrecks of tremendous historical and archeological significance. Detailed video and sonar imagery of one of the sites was sent to the Institute of Nautical Archeology at Texas A&M University. The shape of several amphorae - large, oval two-handled vases used for storage - confirmed the vessel dates back to the end of the third century, BC. At 10,000 feet, this makes it the deepest ancient shipwreck ever found. Another striking find is a cauldron that has been collecting sediment for more than 2000 years. A core sample of this sediment could hold secrets about changes in the Mediterranean Sea over the last two millennia.
Deepest Ancient Shipwreck Ever Found,
Four More Vessels Might Rest Nearby
Nauticos Press Release
February 20, 2001
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I heard those amphorae were really stacked up high on the seafloor. [rimshot!]
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In an Ancient Wreck, Clues to Seafaring Lives
Source: New York Times
Published: 3/27/01 Author: WILLIAM J. BROAD
Posted on 03/27/2001 07:47:52 PST by Antiwar Republican
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http://nauticos.com/ocean-discovery/ancient-wreck/
> “We have found more than 2000 amphorae which once bore wine, olive oil, or other classical trade items. Who knows what kinds of tools or utensils we’ll find down there that will give us new understanding and answer many questions about ancient civilizations.”
> In the spring of 1999, Nauticos searched for and found a missing Israeli submarine that disappeared 31 years ago. Its sonar equipment detected several mysterious objects some 10,000 feet below the surface. A state-of-the-art remotely operated vehicle revealed shipwrecks of tremendous historical and archeological significance. Detailed video and sonar imagery of one of the sites was sent to the Institute of Nautical Archeology at Texas A&M University. The shape of several amphorae – large, oval two-handled vases used for storage – confirmed the vessel dates back to the end of the third century, BC. At 10,000 feet, this makes it the deepest ancient shipwreck ever found. Another striking find is a cauldron that has been collecting sediment for more than 2000 years. A core sample of this sediment could hold secrets about changes in the Mediterranean Sea over the last two millennia.
This vessel sank far from shore, so we are to conclude that ancient mariners sailed such waters successfully?
Seems like it is better evidence of the contrary.
Let me get tbis straight.
This vessel sank far from shore, so we are to conclude that abcient mariners sailed such waters successcully?
Seems like it is better evidence of the contrary.
One more link deeper with great images and details.
http://nauticos.com/ocean-discovery/ancient-wreck/ships-of-ancient-greece-concept-paper/
They have possibly located 4 more in that same area. I’m sure not every vessel sailed through there sank as an example that it can’t be done. lol
True. Evidence only that these sailors could not.
Or that someone goofed and brought aboard a female stowaway. :)
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