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Romans in Brazil During the Second or Third Century?
Mysterious Earth ^ | June 20, 2003 | "Michael"

Posted on 10/17/2004 7:47:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

This is a discovery that has received little to no examination, much less validation, from the realm of mainstream archaeology, no doubt in part because Marx is not a Ph.D. archaeologist. Scouring the web for more information about this finding, I did find a reference to the discovery in an article from Dr. Elizabeth Lyding Will, an expert on Roman amphoras (clay vessels used to store and ship goods during the Roman era). Dr. Will apparently has a piece of an amphora recovered from Marx's Brazil discovery. Of it, she says:

The highly publicized amphoras Robert Marx found in the ship are in fact similar in shape to jars produced in kilns at Kouass, on the west coast of Morocco. The Rio jars look to be late versions of those jars, perhaps datable to the third century A.D. I have a large piece of one of the Rio jars, but no labs I have consulted have any clay similar in composition. So the edges of the earth for Rome, beyond India and Scotland and eastern Europe, remain shrouded in mystery.

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Not much online about this, strangely enough, it happened quite a while ago.
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1 posted on 10/17/2004 7:47:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 10/17/2004 7:48:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks


3 posted on 10/17/2004 8:00:01 PM PDT by Henchman (Kerry: No guts, No Glory, No way!)
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thanks go to the Wayback Machine, and to the page where the link was pointed out:
The Roman Amphora:
Learning from Storage Jars

by Elizabeth Lyding Will
Archaeology Odyssey
January/February 2000
Twice a year London's Sunday Times phones me to ask if I know anything more about the Rio Wreck. The highly publicized amphoras Robert Marx found in the ship are in fact similar in shape to jars produced in kilns at Kouass, on the west coast of Morocco. The Rio jars look to be late versions of those jars, perhaps datable to the third century A.D. I have a large piece of one of the Rio jars, but no labs I have consulted have any clay similar in composition. So the edges of the earth for Rome, beyond India and Scotland and eastern Europe, remain shrouded in mystery.
I think I'd read this article in the magazine (I'm a longtime subscriber) but must have missed that tidbit.

4 posted on 10/17/2004 8:01:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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from that same page (which has a nice discussion of this):

Robert Marx' website (now gone, web archive version):
http://web.archive.org/web/20040210073953/http://www.auas-nogi.org/marxsr.htm

William Corliss' Science Frontiers:
http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf028/sf028p01.htm


5 posted on 10/17/2004 8:05:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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One more, from that summary page, purported photos of two of the amphorae:

http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/ethnic/jpg/fig76.jpg


6 posted on 10/17/2004 8:06:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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Dr. Will's bio page:

http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~elwill/aboutELW.html


7 posted on 10/17/2004 8:08:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv
Even if they do prove that certain ships or artifacts in the New World are Roman, I'm more inclined to believe they are accidents rather than any sort of two-way trade.
8 posted on 10/18/2004 8:36:48 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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9 posted on 11/28/2005 7:38:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Wednesday, November 2, 2005.)
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Tamil Trade
INTAMM | 1997 | Xavier S. Thani Nayagam
Posted on 09/11/2004 8:07:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Romans in China?
Archaeology | Volume 52 Number 3, May/June 1999 | Erling Hoh
Posted on 07/18/2004 8:43:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1173944/posts

The Romans in Ireland
Archaeology Today | 2000? | L.A. Curchin
Posted on 07/18/2004 8:54:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Roman shipwrecks From the wine-dark sea
Hellenic Communication Service LLC | October 17, 2001 | Anna Marguerite McCann
Posted on 07/02/2005 10:26:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Trans-oceanic Connections of the Ancient Americans
Was There A Link with Asia and other places?
articles by Yuri Kuchinsky posted and discussed in sci.archaeology
http://www.trends.ca/~yuku/tran/tran.htm


10 posted on 02/10/2006 4:58:43 AM PST by SunkenCiv ([singing] Kaboom, kaboom, ya da da da da da, ya da da da da da...)
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oops.

Romans In Brazil During The Second Third Century?
Mysterious Earth
Posted on 12/10/2003 8:37:14 PM EST by blam
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11 posted on 11/20/2006 6:17:44 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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12 posted on 05/25/2009 1:59:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Note: this topic is from 2004.

13 posted on 02/15/2015 4:21:58 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary men)
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I love the ridiculous rubbish about how ancient coins from across the Atlantic found in the Americas were all lost by coin collectors. That's such an absurdly stupid claim, and as the *real* saying goes, absurdly stupid claims require absurdly stupid levels of evidence. There is ZERO evidence of any such coin collectors, much less careless ones. Anyone making such a claim is just a jackass.
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14 posted on 12/20/2015 3:49:03 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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Some brief footage of Robert Marx and some of the amphorae, short discussion of the Bay of Jars in Brazil.
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15 posted on 03/13/2016 7:41:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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