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Don't spin the Civil War
Washington Post ^ | 12.27.10 | E.J. DIONNE jR.

Posted on 12/27/2010 10:31:54 AM PST by trumandogz

The Civil War is about to loom very large in the popular memory. We would do well to be candid about its causes and not allow the distortions of contemporary politics or long-standing myths to cloud our understanding of why the nation fell apart.

The coming year will mark the 150th anniversary of the onset of the conflict, which is usually dated to April 12, 1861, when Confederate batteries opened fire at 4:30 a.m. on federal troops occupying Fort Sumter. Union forces surrendered the next day, after 34 hours of shelling.

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To: bushpilot1

I know. I try to stay away too and certainly wouldn’t consider myself a frequent poster on CW threads. I usually get pinged to them. I don’t search for them.


841 posted on 01/01/2011 12:46:51 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1400 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: Bikkuri

Probably more than the 2 that got deleted and the reason I say this is... he stated he came to FR because he kept getting sotted on other forums because he was a nasty, ill tempered, racist, bigot hater. It stand to reason he would make several names figuring he would get zotted here too. He’ll be easy to spot, that is for sure. Keyword search always nails them.


842 posted on 01/01/2011 12:49:22 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1400 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: MikefromOhio
And you are the nitwit dumb enough to think trying to tear apart a country because of a regional rivalry is anything to be proud of.....

Regional rivalry!?! Are you really that simple minded?

843 posted on 01/01/2011 12:49:34 PM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: MikefromOhio
I maintain you aren't a conservative because you constantly whine, complain and demagogue those who point out that you are consistently shilling for a system that held your fellow man in bondage.

Yawn.....

Conservatives believe in FREEDOM, FOR EVERYONE. The CSA was about freedom for those who weren't slaves.

Do you know the definition of 'conservative'?

844 posted on 01/01/2011 12:57:26 PM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: MikefromOhio

Obviously the term regional rivalry is insufficient. The more appropriate term is “regional bigotry”. There are some here who fit the bill quite well.


845 posted on 01/01/2011 12:58:56 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: mojitojoe

I see you still haven’t figured out what the term “poe” means.


846 posted on 01/01/2011 1:00:30 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: cowboyway

“If that’s the case, how can you support the unconstitutional federal intrusion into legal Southern labor practices?”

Perhaps, if the South could have developed an economic model that would have been more profitable they could have maintained their confederacy and for 150 more years.

However, it was the weakness of their economic model that failed and lead to their trouncing by the Union Army.

And while slavery was horrific, we can at least find some humor in the South’s economic system.

We can laugh as the Confederacy developed and maintained an economic model dependent on Free Labor and still failed.

Even the USSR could maintain an economy based on Communism for more than 70 years.

The Confederacy, using Free Labor, only lasted four years!


847 posted on 01/01/2011 1:08:12 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: TexConfederate1861

We all know that you celebrate the assassination of President Lincoln.

With that being the case, do you believe that Sam Houston should have been murdered for his opposition to Texas joining the Confederacy?

Or would you have simply put Sam on trial for treason?


848 posted on 01/01/2011 1:15:59 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: rockrr
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849 posted on 01/01/2011 1:16:50 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: mojitojoe; lentulusgracchus; central_va; bushpilot1; Idabilly; southernsunshine; manc; mstar
If you check Thumpers past posts, he’s not a CW thread’s poster. I have to wonder why he showed up on Trumandogz’s(also not a CW thread poster). Rather odd I would say, especially in light of the fact that NS tried to use his reserve 2001 screen name. Makes me go hmmm. Thumper’s been called a troll on many other threads which I also find interesting.

I think that it's obvious to everyone that certain posters on the 'yankee' side have been trying to bait one or all of us into making threats against the United States government.

It's a known fact that .gov cruises the internet looking for things they consider to be criminal. For example: the FBI and BATFE cruise gun sites and try to lure people into admitting illegal gun activity or to make threats against the government. People have actually gotten knocks on their door following something they posted on the internet.

Now, it's been proposed for a while that the recently departed non-sequitur was actually a group of people due to the variety of different posting styles and the almost 365/24/7 internet activity. It makes sense that whatever government agency owned the non-sequitur entity had a team of people assigned to posting on FR to elicit anti-government comments.

rockrr is in the same category. He/she/it has several different posting styles and is always phishing for negative responses.

Then there's mikefromohio and mac_truck. The come across as chronically angry and also phish for anti-government replies. For example, there was a thread not long back in which mikefromohio submitted hundreds of posts to me and others asking, 'when are you gonna do something? when are you gonna do something??????'

It's my opinion that thumper and trumandogz fall into the same category as the above infiltraitors and have recently show up on WBTS threads in response to the departure of NS and others.

What do the rest of my Confederate brothers and sisters think? Tin foil?

850 posted on 01/01/2011 1:28:15 PM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: mojitojoe

Nice picks on post #829. Thumper is a low life POS and a a blight on FR.


851 posted on 01/01/2011 1:30:32 PM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: cowboyway

“...read South Carolina’s Secession Declaration.”

If the South Carolina Declaration of Secession was about States’ Rights, why is it that that document does not mention the 10th Amendment?

However, the South Carolina Declaration of Secession mentions “Slavery” a total of 18 times.


852 posted on 01/01/2011 1:31:58 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz
Perhaps, if the South could have developed an economic model that would have been more profitable

Post #847 is a complete and total dodge of the constitutional question. Your reply is very similar to the liberal response to abortion in the context of 'viability of the fetus'.

And while slavery was horrific, we can at least find some humor in the South’s economic system.

What's humorous is your lilliputian knowledge of this subject. The South's economy was precisely why the north was determined to keep us in the union at all costs because, without the South, the north is sinking quicker than your argument.

The Confederacy, using Free Labor, only lasted four years!

You seem to be omitting that the entire 4 years was spent trying to repel an invading foreign army. But of course, one can only expect this from those of you that are stuck on revisionism.

853 posted on 01/01/2011 1:42:50 PM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: rockrr
The more appropriate term is “regional bigotry”. There are some here who fit the bill quite well.

I totally agree and now that NS is gone (sniff, sniff) you're at the head of the line.

854 posted on 01/01/2011 1:44:21 PM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: cowboyway

I tend to agree with you.


855 posted on 01/01/2011 1:50:52 PM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: cowboyway

If you believe any of that nonsense to be true, and you consider yourself to be a “good” FReeper, you are duty-bound to report it to the mods. Why don’t you?


856 posted on 01/01/2011 1:56:32 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: bushpilot1

Beautiful.

One of the things I really liked about the south was the architecture.


857 posted on 01/01/2011 1:57:35 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: cowboyway

But (unlike you) I am not a regional bigot. There isn’t a part of this country that I dislike. As a matter of fact, although I have never been to north-east I don’t even think I’d dislike that ;-)


858 posted on 01/01/2011 2:02:34 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: rockrr
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859 posted on 01/01/2011 2:02:59 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

If I’m not mistaken the Melrose Plantation (I gathered that from the filename) was the product of manumitted slaves who eventually became one of the largest black slave-holders in Louisiana.


860 posted on 01/01/2011 2:07:52 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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