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Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link
orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid

Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]

Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.

Barry's Kenyan B.C.??

Special Motion for leave

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)


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To: jamese777
To date there is no case law that defines the term “Natural Born Citizen} as anything other than citizens at birth which is well defined in the US Code of Laws.

So? There is also nothing that defines "Natural Born Citizen" as"Citizen at Birth". Of course the way you wrote it, you are saying that that there is some law so defining the term. But there is not.

8,601 posted on 08/10/2009 11:44:09 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Fred Nerks; BP2

Said, agreed to close all the slave markets, and the British Consul, Sir John Kirk, became Grand
Vizier in all but name. In 1890 Sultan Seyyid Ali bin Said placed the country under British
protection. The Protectorate was proclaimed on 4th November.

Zanzibar has had Executive and Legislative Councils since 1 926 but it is since 1 957, when
elections were first held, that constitutional progress has been rapid. Under the 1961 constitu-
tion the country achieved an elected majority in the legislature and a ministerial system.

The political parties in Zanzibar are the Zanzibar Nationalist Party (Z.N. P.), the Zanzibar and
Pemba People’s Party (Z.P.P.P.) and the Afro-Shirazi Party (A.S.P.). The elections held in
January 1961 ended in deadlock so fresh elections were held in June. Following this, a
coalition of the Z.N. P. and Z.P.P.P. took office.

A constitutional conference was held in London in March 1962. A constitution for self-
government along the lines agreed at this conference, and including provision for a Bill of
Rights, was introduced in June 1 963 when the islands of Zanzibar and Pemba became internally
self-governing, prior to obtaining full sovereignty.


8,602 posted on 08/10/2009 11:46:06 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama

Two shipping lines call regularly at
Zanzibar and scheduled air services op-
erate between Zanzibar, Kenya and
Tanganyika, and Zanzibar and Pemba.
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Cloves account for three-quarters of
Zanzibar’s export income, with coconut
products making up much of the rest.


8,603 posted on 08/10/2009 11:51:19 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: BP2

I read an article, downloaded it, and was going to post it when my power went out so lost it. It was an interview with Dunham’s best friend while she was in high school.
She said that all through high school Dunham never dated, never had a boyfriend. She planned on going to college in WA with her high school friends, but her father forced her to go with them to Hawaii since she had not turned 18 yet.
She also said the area where Dunham lived was white, all her friends were white, and she was not above a little racism during that time.
In that era, dating someone black would have been severely frowned upon.
She said she never pictured Dunham as the “fall in love and get married” type, let alone a mommy type, so she was shocked when she suddenly heard from Dunham that she had “fallen” in love with an African student, and even more shocked that she had a child.
Is it possible that she “ran away” with obama sr and that she got pregnant to him on purpose to get even with her father for forcing her to relinquish her plans for her own future?
If she ran away with him, she returned with a child that her parents would have gone nuts trying to legitimize. No one she knew ever saw her pregnant. She never lived with obama sr. They did not reside at the address in the newspaper announcement. There is nothing anywhere that indicates they were ever legally married, but there is a divorce.
That entire time is a mystery.
In such a case, she would have thought nothing about obama already being married, and he ALWAYS wandered back to Kezia when he had a problem. I think Kezia knows far more than she is willing to say.
Why would he write to her after jr was born and proudly send her pictures. How did Kezia and Dunham become so friendly?
I am nuts trying to unravel this joker and his whole tribal crap. He obviously feels the same way about almost everything as his African family. He bears the same resentments and bitterness.
He claims no contact with his father, but he writes a book called “Dreams FROM My Father.” Paradox.
My head reels with this stuff.


8,604 posted on 08/11/2009 12:15:25 AM PDT by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1.)
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To: hoosiermama

...interesting, but what’s the name of the ship that carried bonny prince obama in his mummy’s tummy over the sea?

LOL!


8,605 posted on 08/11/2009 12:17:06 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: hoosiermama

http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=shipping+lines+clove+mombasa&d=76476422444548&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=811f19c0,af7dff53

This site is devoted to all subjects connected with the shipping company British India Steam Navigation, or BI as it is most often known. BI was formed in 1856 and remained one of the largest companies in the British mercantile marine until it was finally entirely absorbed into P&O in 1972

The mail Contract in itself was not an attractive bargain, but East Africa was then in an early stage of development, and at Aden BI ships could take over from the larger P&0 vessels all manner of manufactured goods from Europe and the States. They could bring back the typical products of the region—coconut in various forms, cloves and rare timbers. The company’s services were extended southwards down the coasts of East Africa to Portuguese East Africa, there only to meet the opposition of what is now the Union-Castle line.

From Zanzibar, the first base, the ships visited the Seychelles, Mauritius and Reunion. A regular service took to running from Zanzibar by way of the Comoro Islands to Madagascar. Another swept right round the Indian Ocean from Bombay to Aden. Aden to Zanzibar, and so southwards to Mozambique and Delagoa Bay

It was of more importance now that the British Government came to its senses after his death and took the East African problems in hand. The railway from Mombasa right up to Nairobi was duly completed

BOOK:
Last Hours on Dara by P J Abraham. Published by Peter Davies, London, 1963.
An account, winning the author few friends in BI, of the loss of Dara in the Gulf during April 1961, told by an eye-witness. Photograph(left) and general arrangement drawing.

Boarders Away : An account of British India educational cruises edited by Mary Ollis. Published by: Longman Group, London 1973. (ISBN 0 582 32471 8).
By 1973 BI educational cruises had been underway for 11 years with the ships DUNERA, DEVONIA, NEVASA and UGANDA taking 40,000 to 50,000 British schoolchildren to sea each year. Written with the help of BI staff, chief education officers, teachers, and pupils, this book gives a brief history of BI’s educational cruising, with chapters on the ship’s company, planning a cruise, on board, visits ashore, etc. Foreword by Sir Ronald Gould, chairman of the Central Bureau for Educational Visits and Exchanges, and contributors include Dame Kitty Anderson, Sir John Newsom and Sir John Wolfenden. 124 pp, 5 photo-plates.

Other name working under the BI until 1972
- The Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company

It is more than 60 years since William Mackinnon died but except in the Bay of Bengal area and on the Coast of India, the pattern of BI trading has remained largely unchanged.


8,606 posted on 08/11/2009 12:20:25 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Fred Not sure if these are the two British lines that came to port in Mombasa, because the merged corps, but still used their original names.

- The Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company

British India Steam Navigation,

There are links to the ships, but I couldn’t get into them...ALso several books, reunion of employees etc at the site....

Good night....I mean it this time. 3:30 AM here.


8,607 posted on 08/11/2009 12:25:27 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama

8606 are just relavant snips out of context.


8,608 posted on 08/11/2009 12:28:10 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama

for example, it cannot have been the AFRAM RIVER as I thought, because it wasn’t launched until 1962:

http://www.miramarshipindex.org.nz/shipyard/list?page=7&link=1886

But the PRA RIVER may be a candidate, it was launched in January, 1961:

http://www.miramarshipindex.org.nz/ship/show/245998


8,609 posted on 08/11/2009 12:30:42 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: hoosiermama

for example, it cannot have been the AFRAM RIVER as I thought, because it wasn’t launched until 1962:

http://www.miramarshipindex.org.nz/shipyard/list?page=7&link=1886

But the PRA RIVER may be a candidate, it was launched in January, 1961:

http://www.miramarshipindex.org.nz/ship/show/245998


8,610 posted on 08/11/2009 12:38:26 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: jamese777
It's not a power enumerated to Congress to make any laws pertaining to Consitutional natural born citizenship, jamese777.

That's why there aren't any such laws.

Read Osborn v. Bank Of The U.S. and see but one clear example of the Supreme Court's recognition of this.

8,611 posted on 08/11/2009 1:13:35 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

It’s not a power enumerated to Congress to make any laws pertaining to Consitutional natural born citizenship, jamese777.
That’s why there aren’t any such laws.

Read Osborn v. Bank Of The U.S. and see but one clear example of the Supreme Court’s recognition of this.


Congress can make any law that it deems appropriate and it would be up to the Supreme Court to decide whether any particular law is constitutional or not. Right now, Obama opponents in Congress are working on a law to require all Presidential candidates to document their natural born status before running for high office.

However I was talking about CASE law, at the federal district, federal appeals or Supreme Court level not about legislative solutions. There is no definition of Natural Born Citizen in US Supreme Court decisions.

What does Osborn v Bank of the United States have to do with Article Two, Section One, Clause Five?


8,612 posted on 08/11/2009 1:44:05 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: El Gato

So? There is also nothing that defines “Natural Born Citizen” as”Citizen at Birth”. Of course the way you wrote it, you are saying that that there is some law so defining the term. But there is not.


The term Citizen at Birth is defined in federal law very precisely. Read it for yourself:
http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t05t08+5075+0++%28%29%20%20AND%20%28%288%29%20ADJ%20USC%29%3ACITE%20AND%20%28USC%20w%2F10%20%281401%29%29%3ACITE%20%20AND%20%28CHAPTER%20ADJ%20%2812%29%29%3AEXPCITE%20AND%20%28SUBCHAPTER%20ADJ%20%28III%29%29%3AEXPCITE%20%20%20%20%20%20


8,613 posted on 08/11/2009 1:54:05 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777
What does Osborn v Bank of the United States have to do with Article Two, Section One, Clause Five?

It has as much to do with it as did the 14th Amendment, jamese777, which is to say nothing. But, it does, however, state quite clearly why there are no laws pertaining to natural born citizens made by Congress, and that is that the Constitution alone makes the distinction, because the enumerated power of the national legislature is to prescribe a uniform law of naturalization. Naturalization has nothing to do with natural born. You can scroll up to my reply to this very thread, at #8377, or, oh, what the heck, I'll post it again:

A naturalized citizen is indeed made a citizen under an act of Congress, but the act does not proceed to give, to regulate, or to prescribe his capacities. He becomes a member of the society, possessing all the rights of a native citizen, and standing, in the view of the Constitution, on the footing of a native. The Constitution does not authorize Congress to enlarge or abridge those rights. The simple power of the national legislature is to prescribe a uniform rule of naturalization, and the exercise of this power exhausts it so far as respects the individual. The Constitution then takes him up, and, among other rights, extends to him the capacity of suing in the courts of the United States precisely under the same circumstances under which a native might sue. He is distinguishable in nothing from a native citizen except so far as the Constitution makes the distinction. The law makes none.

8,614 posted on 08/11/2009 3:26:21 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: hoosiermama
Just for an example:

An original vintage 35mm Kodak Ektachrome slide of the freighter PRA RIVER, built in 1961, docked on the Delaware River, Philadelphia, PA on 4 Jul 1965.

Year: 1961 Name: PRA RIVER Launch Date: 21.1.61 Type: Cargo ship Flag: Ghana

Tons: 7351 Link: 1886 DWT: 6989 Yard No: 311 Length overall: 140.5 Ship Design: LPP: 125.0 Country of build: NLD Beam: 18.4 Builder: Royal Schelde Location of yard: Flushing

Disposal Data: wrecked 14.46.18N/17.32.26W 26.7.83 & scuttled offshore 1q.84

8,615 posted on 08/11/2009 4:16:32 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Good morning....It’s 6:50 a.m. and the pets have been fed.


8,616 posted on 08/11/2009 4:49:53 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Good morning,

LOL!!!!

Is that what I did? Sent the post to the wrong person?

My apologies. I wish I knew to whom it was intended.

I was pretty tired yesterday.


8,617 posted on 08/11/2009 5:05:33 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Apology accepted. Good morning. We are in the same time zone, and I have been up since just before 4 AM, and I’m tired. Need to feed my pets now.

I really don’t care where McCain was born, because generally I don’t agree with him. He is always stabbing the Republican Party in the back. That is why I know that your post was misdirected — and so full of venom! But I do understand how that happens, I just wanted you to acknowledge it! LOL.

BTW, McCain’s daughter is worse. What an airhead! I sure hope the other kids turned out better.


8,618 posted on 08/11/2009 5:26:32 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Barack’s life details are too complicated for him to even be a paper boy for the WH.
_________________________________________________

Definitely not a paper boy...

He cant throw remember...


8,619 posted on 08/11/2009 5:34:29 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: hoosiermama

Good morning, hoosiermama.

I hope you had a good sleep.

Thank you for post #8,587. That is a wonderful post.

My head is spinning.


8,620 posted on 08/11/2009 5:45:02 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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