Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Herodotus' theory on Armenian origins debunked by first whole-genome study
Phys dot org ^ | November 25, 2024 | Trinity College Dublin

Posted on 11/26/2024 8:09:46 AM PST by SunkenCiv

Armenians, a population in Western Asia historically inhabiting the Armenian highlands, were long believed to be descendants of Phrygian settlers from the Balkans. This theory originated largely from the accounts of the Greek historian Herodotus, who observed that Armenians were armed in Phrygian fashion when serving in the Persian army. Linguists further supported this theory, suggesting that the Armenian language shares ties with the Thraco-Phrygian subgroup of Indo-European languages.

But the first whole-genome study challenges this long-held belief, revealing no significant genetic link between Armenians and the populations in the Balkan region. The study compares newly generated modern Armenian genomes and published genetic data of ancient individuals from the Armenian highlands with both modern and ancient genomes from the Balkans...

The researchers behind the new study also disproved another belief—claims of an Assyrian ancestry for the Sasun, an Armenian population that inhabited the southern part of the Armenian highlands (modern-day southeastern Turkey). This connection had been referenced in many historical sources, including the Bible, in cuneiform texts, and local traditional stories. Instead, they found that the Sasun had experienced a significant contraction in size in the recent past, which sets them apart from other populations...

Researchers also shed light on the population structure and genetic variation of different Armenian groups, finding that populations from the eastern, western, and central parts of the Armenian highlands show a relatively high level of similarity.

['Civ: Huh?]

(Excerpt) Read more at phys.org ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: armenia; assyrians; balkans; epigraphyandlanguage; fauxiantroll; fauxiantrolls; godsgravesglyphs; greeks; helixmakemineadouble; herodotus; phrygians; sasun; thrace; trinitycollegedublin; youngearthdelusion; youngearthdelusions
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-49 last
To: imardmd1

41 posted on 11/28/2024 1:34:36 AM PST by Cronos
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Mr. Blond

Armenians are linguistically and genetically Indo-European people.


42 posted on 11/28/2024 1:35:46 AM PST by Cronos
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Kudsman

Language spread means that it is hard to connect the dots for language families greater than 10KYA.

The Indo-European was relatively easy to tie together as it is relatively young (4000 YA) and well written down.

The Sino-Burmese was also easy.

The Austro-Asiatic - Malay, Tagalog, Hawaiian, Maori etc. is also very young - 2KYA

The Afro-Asiatic is ancient, but most have been written down for millenia

The tricker are things like the Finno-Ugaric, the Yenisean, etc. languages and don’t even get started on the multiple language FAMILIES in Australia or PNG


43 posted on 11/28/2024 1:39:29 AM PST by Cronos
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: imardmd1; SunkenCiv

Imardmd1 - note that the term “Armenia” and “Armenian” are EXOnyms i.e. words that OUTSIDERS give for that place and its peoples.

The term that “Armenians” use for themselves is “Hay” - derived from Hayk, the patriarch of the Armenians and great-great-grandson of Noah AND they call their land “Hayastan”.

Note that “stan” is the IraniC term for land - indicating the closeness between the IraniC and Armenian peoples


44 posted on 11/28/2024 1:42:37 AM PST by Cronos
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: imardmd1; SunkenCiv

From Biblical information the Magi (Magi is the term for Zoroastrian “priests” ) came from the Parthian (Iranian) empire, not from Anatolia.


45 posted on 11/28/2024 1:43:57 AM PST by Cronos
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv
HUH?

INDEED!


46 posted on 11/28/2024 4:40:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Elsie
:^) And the first thing that caught my eye was the Herodotus bashing, seems like that should have died out by now. :^)

47 posted on 11/28/2024 5:05:59 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: Cronos
Where in the Bible do you find that the Bible shows or proves that the "Magi" came from the Parthian/Iranian empire and not from Anatolia.

I am very curious to know how you got this information and where you found it. Please show me.

48 posted on 11/28/2024 10:04:24 PM PST by imardmd1 (To learn is to live; the joy of living: to teach. Fiat Lux!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: imardmd1

The Bible is not a history book - that very statement “where in the Bible do you” is a false dichotomy when it comes to a historical question.

The New Testament only says that they came “from the East.” No other clues are provided — we could argue that the Magi were from a distant region, because they apparently had no idea that Herod was on his deathbed, or that the Jews were ruled by a foreign dynasty.

The very term Magi predates Christianity and is an Old Persian word.

It was the term for Zoroastrian Priests - cognate with Mobad


49 posted on 11/29/2024 4:02:30 AM PST by Cronos
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-49 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson